Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

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Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

Post by svaglic » August 1st 2021, 12:35pm

I can’t figure it out, hopefully someone here can. Thanks in advance.

Kind of cool how the case-back is hinged. There is glass over the movement too.
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Neat engraved case and cool hands.
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It looks like someone put a lot of effort into this engraving on the case back. It is supposed to be blank.
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All the info is on the inside, but I can’t figure out my year or model. The Trojan and Conqueor look alike, I’m not sure if you tell them apart by year or something else.
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Re: Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

Post by 3Flushes » August 1st 2021, 1:34pm

From whaat I can tell, the only way to be certain is to date the watch. Based on this thread at MyBulova.com, as the patent dates match exactly on the OP watch and yours, Jan 11,1927, and it appears this watch was determined to be a Conqueror, my guess is so is yours. Given the engraving is continuous is another sign of the conqueror as it apparently stopped at the corners on the Trojan. Is it double hinged? Hell, idk, lots of bacik and forth- but, the consensus was Conqueror.

https://mybulova.com/watches/1928-conqueror-1536

There is also this thread which they ID as the Trojan but there is no pic of the inside of the back. This thread dates the trojan to '26-'28 which your patent date also falls into.

https://mybulova.com/watches/1927-trojan-1788

Nice catch in either instance- the cathedral hands are awesome.

Good luck.

Sorry for the edit- got the threads confused, too many windows.
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Re: Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

Post by svaglic » August 1st 2021, 1:48pm

3Flushes wrote:
August 1st 2021, 1:34pm
From whaat I can tell, the only way to be certain is to date the watch. Given the patent date is Jan 11,1927, my guess is Trojan based on this thread at MyBulova.com as the patent dates match. The title is Conqueror, but the consensus was Trojan based on the patent date..

https://mybulova.com/watches/1928-conqueror-1536

There is also this thread which they ID as the Trojan but there is no pic of the inside of the back. This thread dates the trojan to '26-'28 which your patent date falls into.

https://mybulova.com/watches/1927-trojan-1788

Nice catch in either instance- the cathedral hands are awesome.

If my crown is correct, it fits the Trojan, but like you said, the date is throwing me.
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Re: Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

Post by 3Flushes » August 1st 2021, 1:51pm

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...the date is throwing me.
You know, it occurs to me that the patent date on your watch and the date in the thread where the watch was determined to be a Conqueror just might be the patent date for the case. Bulova used cases from the American Standard Case Company until they bought them out in the late 40's. AIR, ASCC cases were usually hallmarked with a shield or a globe, but not always.

The only way to be certain of the production date of the watch is likely by serial number of the movement or the case.- If the serial number on the case doesn't jibe with Bulova's documentation, try the movement number, if you haven't already. There are several different models that came out '26-'28 that are determined by production pre or post '28 and pre or post the Lone Eagle. The Trojan my Bulova thread has a lot of information in the discussion.

It is interesting that your watch and the watch in the My Bulova Conqueror thread have the same markings on the case. I suspect that your watch is the same as that one given the lack of the usual ASCC hallmarks. Perhaps the serial number on the case can determine the production date which could certainly differ from the patent date, but IDK if that information is available for their cases.

IDK - crazy period for Bulova - hope this may help.
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Post by jason_recliner » August 1st 2021, 10:43pm

Can't help you with the ID, sorry, but love the watch. Is that display back original? Amazing if so, the hinged case is also cool. Beautiful engraving, and the pube inside is an especially nice touch!
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Post by svaglic » August 2nd 2021, 2:40am

jason_recliner wrote:
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Can't help you with the ID, sorry, but love the watch. Is that display back original? Amazing if so, the hinged case is also cool. Beautiful engraving, and the pube inside is an especially nice touch!

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Post by bobbee » August 2nd 2021, 10:46pm

Hi svaggy, the patent is for the dust cover protecting the movement, below.

https://mybulova.com/sites/default/file ... 201927.pdf

The case serial no. starts with a '6', dating the case to 1926. The patent stamp would have been added later in the factory.
I see what looks like a small square stamp on the barrel bridge, this is the date stamp for 1927.
What you have is a really fine example of a 1927 Bulova 'TROJAN', your dad had a great eye!
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Post by conjurer » August 2nd 2021, 10:59pm

bobbee wrote:
August 2nd 2021, 10:46pm
Hi svaggy, the patent is for the dust cover protecting the movement, below.

https://mybulova.com/sites/default/file ... 201927.pdf

The case serial no. starts with a '6', dating the case to 1926. The patent stamp would have been added later in the factory.
I see what looks like a small square stamp on the barrel bridge, this is the date stamp for 1927.
What you have is a really fine example of a 1927 Bulova 'TROJAN', your dad had a great eye!
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Post by smellody » August 2nd 2021, 11:10pm

bobbee wrote:
August 2nd 2021, 10:46pm
Hi svaggy, the patent is for the dust cover protecting the movement, below.

https://mybulova.com/sites/default/file ... 201927.pdf

The case serial no. starts with a '6', dating the case to 1926. The patent stamp would have been added later in the factory.
I see what looks like a small square stamp on the barrel bridge, this is the date stamp for 1927.
What you have is a really fine example of a 1927 Bulova 'TROJAN', your dad had a great eye!
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Post by 3Flushes » August 2nd 2021, 11:58pm

bobbee wrote:
August 2nd 2021, 10:46pm
Hi svaggy, the patent is for the dust cover protecting the movement, below.

https://mybulova.com/sites/default/file ... 201927.pdf

The case serial no. starts with a '6', dating the case to 1926. The patent stamp would have been added later in the factory.
I see what looks like a small square stamp on the barrel bridge, this is the date stamp for 1927.
What you have is a really fine example of a 1927 Bulova 'TROJAN', your dad had a great eye!
Very nice work, indeed.
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Post by svaglic » August 3rd 2021, 1:14pm

You are all impressive, I appreciate your knowledge and time to explain it all.
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Re: Do I have a Trojan or a Conqueor?

Post by 3Flushes » August 3rd 2021, 2:31pm

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I noticed the first digit was an 8 in the case serial number when I zoomed in to look for an American Standard Watch Case Company hallmark which wasn't to be found on svag's case back. Bulova had purchased ASWCC in the early twenties, not the late forties as had long been thought to be the case, which bobbee informed me of in reply to my ridiculously long PM to him and svag about the serial number and the lacking ASWCC hallmark.

See, there was a watch o/l identified as a Conqueror with the same patent date, and I'd surmised the mark's likely presence on a watch identified o/l as a Trojan, which led to a bunch of other bullshit all having nothing to do with the matter at hand except for noticing the first digit of the serial number was an 8 while on a wild goose chase. I hope you guys didn't bother with the whole damn thing.

Cool to help figure this one out even though I rumbled, bumbled and stumbled my way into it. Still learn something everyday in this joint.
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