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Re: glass=sandstone.........Im vendicated.........

Post by Ditchdoc » September 1st 2010, 4:21am

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OK… so my day starts out with an alarming email being asked to log here and read this post. So I did…. And I have to admit that all the information made some sense. So I posted about an hour ago that I would look into this further. And I have…. I called our sourcing manager in Asia, and asked for a conference call with our raw material supplier immediately. Mind you, its 9pm there…. But we just finished the conference call. The material we use for our dials is SANDSTONE. Sandstone raw material is sourced FROM THE EARTH. The ONLY thing that is man-made is the process of bonding the sandstone grain to a brick like raw bar, which then gets sent to our dial factory and gets cut to dials and polished. Our raw material supplier confirmed that the sandstone used in dials by other watch manufacturers or the use of sandstone in jewelry are made the same way as the dials we make. Again, I cannot speak for what every company does – I can only tell you what we do. I hope this helps, but please understand that I am in no way trying to dispute a geologist’s knowledge, I can only speak to how our dials are made.
funny thing is that post reads like a response from Jim..


Sounds identical to a JS response. Wording, sentence structure, overall flow and all. EL does not speak this way. He's basically saying "I'm not disputing a geologist but ours are real" WTF? This kind of double speak is a common theme with that company. I guess they figure that they have so many other legal issues, let's just throw the supplier under the bus on this one.

This site has always provided unquestionable proof when revealing Invicta's deceptions. Swiss watches made in china, DD debacle, etc. This should be no different.

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Re: glass=sandstone.........Im vendicated.........

Post by TRU-LYE » September 1st 2010, 4:24am

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BTW, just to clarify:

I wrote: "bonding the sandstone grain to a brick like raw bar"

The correct wording would be "bonding the sandstone grain INTO a brick like raw bar". The sandstone garins do NOT get bonded to something else, it just gets bonded ALL TOGETHER.

now the story starts to change...
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Post by Ditchdoc » September 1st 2010, 4:43am

So is he now saying it's sand grains glued to glass?


If I was Eyal, I would offer Koi and betterskills a shit load of money to close this forum down as well as BS blog. It would've already saved him money just on the DD thing alone.
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Post by WatchDorks.Net » September 1st 2010, 4:53am

"Swiss gold layering is bonded at the molecular level."

"Flame Delusion Crystal is a single substance."

Luckily K-Mart is having a sale on BullshitMeters(TM), cuz mine is about worn out.
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Post by Ditchdoc » September 1st 2010, 4:56am

Eyal seems to always be on his heels these days. He needs to hire a "Damage Control Manager". For a while Jim served that role but now he throws em under the bus when its convenient by saying "I only sell the watches" and seems to know nothing else about them. MD doesn't even seem to be in the equation anymore. He is worthless.
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Post by boscoe » September 1st 2010, 5:24am

Remember, Lalo was also kicked in the nuts with those $3,000 meteorite dial, "ruby," "sapphire" etc. bezel pro divers - (which sold on SNBC for $2000!) when it was revealed the stones were not natural - just cheap lab creations.
Invicta is on the defensive here.
The actual geologist's name and finding - or another one - will be the dagger to the heart.
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Post by betterskills » September 1st 2010, 5:36am

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Well... I don't wish to add insult to anything. But when I had my Invicta deep blue sandstone dial watch SS bracelet sized by a licensed, certified gemologist, he happened to be wearing his magnifier around his neck. He said, "No this is not sandstone. But it is a nice watch." I still like the watch. Twinkles like the night sky. But I have to take my friend by his word and experience. The watch is a keeper, though.
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Post by BigCheez » September 1st 2010, 5:50am

betterskills wrote: Today, 02:08 PM

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Well... I don't wish to add insult to anything. But when I had my Invicta deep blue sandstone dial watch SS bracelet sized by a licensed, certified gemologist, he happened to be wearing his magnifier around his neck. He said, "No this is not sandstone. But it is a nice watch." I still like the watch. Twinkles like the night sky. But I have to take my friend by his word and experience. The watch is a keeper, though.
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or perhaps not.

Maybe Dave is the guy that drove his happy ass to the National Geektogether and taped all those videos and sucked up to everyone from ShopNBC.



Uh oh. Wrong Dave. Nevermind.
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Re: glass=sandstone.........Im vendicated.........

Post by eddiea » September 1st 2010, 6:06am

boscoe wrote:Remember, Lalo was also kicked in the nuts with those $3,000 meteorite dial, "ruby," "sapphire" etc. bezel pro divers - (which sold on SNBC for $2000!) when it was revealed the stones were not natural - just cheap lab creations.
Invicta is on the defensive here.
The actual geologist's name and finding - or another one - will be the dagger to the heart.

Dan, I was reflecting on this post and it makes sense, yet I do think Invicta has lost all vestige of decency and business ethics... I think Lalo will try to milk the cow until dry, without much of a concern on what people may think of him... then laugh, all the way to the bank.
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Post by TVDinner » September 1st 2010, 6:30am

This is still all "watch forum" stuff. We know, but the general buying public is still mainly in the dark. Sure they might change their pitch on air and say "simulated" this or "synthetic" that, but in the end the tens of thousands of people sold fake watches by the screaming, laughing, joking, yelling randomly, Shamwow-like talking head sales people (JS and MD) and still left in the dark.
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Post by Guest » September 1st 2010, 6:41am

Just to update everyone. I was going to release the name of the geologist just to satisfy everyones curiosity but after speaking with him this morning he has asked me not to. He doesn't want a thousand emails and phone calls coming in and I can understand that he would not want the college disrupted. Sorry if this does not provide enough proof for you but that is the way it is. If you want more info you can always PM me and I will provide details of his findings.
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Post by TVDinner » September 1st 2010, 6:44am

SloMo wrote:Just to update everyone. I was going to release the name of the geologist just to satisfy everyones curiosity but after speaking with him this morning he has asked me not to. He doesn't want a thousand emails and phone calls coming in and I can understand that he would not want the college disrupted. Sorry if this does not provide enough proof for you but that is the way it is. If you want more info you can always PM me and I will provide details of his findings.


Can totally understand that, but this probably should have been anticipated. Any company is going to demand proof of a claim like this and proof ends all/most arguments.
Going to need someone else then who will go on record with scientifically proven findings/facts.
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Post by boscoe » September 1st 2010, 6:45am

I understand sources often prefer to remain unnamed. That's the way of the world in investigative journalism. This sandstone probe qualifies as a journalistic endeavor. But when the NY Times or FOX News quotes unnamed sources, it carries more weight than a random blogger with no proven credibility. Just the way things are.
Again, I'm not doubting the credibilty, just saying this is not a slam dunk - though the reaction by ShopNBC and Invicta employees does indicate they're concerned there could be a problem.
But if Invicta and ShopNBC claim it is real sandstone (without providing geological proof) and investigators claim it is bogus or man-made (without scientific support) you have, in the end, a classic "He said/She said."
This doesn't diminish investigators' efforts. Merely underscores the need for definitive proof.
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Post by betterskills » September 1st 2010, 6:47am

And I still maintain that the majority of sales for invicta is driven through ShopNBC. Sam's Club and Costco may introduce people to Invicta, but those avenues seem to end at ShopNBC and ultimatly, those who want mire info end up at WatchGeeks. With not much searching these individuals wind up at my blog, as well as threads on Watch Lords and BDWF, and those posts usually expose an untruth. The facts also rattle the newbies at geeks and anyone with a brainstem can clearly see what certain members are doing.

An immediate impact - maybe not. A pattern of lies will eventually take the rightful toll and maybe make them honest.
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Post by Guest » September 1st 2010, 6:56am

TVDinner wrote:
SloMo wrote:Just to update everyone. I was going to release the name of the geologist just to satisfy everyones curiosity but after speaking with him this morning he has asked me not to. He doesn't want a thousand emails and phone calls coming in and I can understand that he would not want the college disrupted. Sorry if this does not provide enough proof for you but that is the way it is. If you want more info you can always PM me and I will provide details of his findings.


Can totally understand that, but this probably should have been anticipated. Any company is going to demand proof of a claim like this and proof ends all/most arguments.
Going to need someone else then who will go on record with scientifically proven findings/facts.


The name of the gentleman has been passed on to Jim Skelton along with contact info. Again, I challenge everyone at all the forums to do your own research for your own peace of mind.
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Post by BigCheez » September 1st 2010, 7:01am

Ditchdoc wrote:If possible, let's see if we can send the watch to a certified Geologist for evaluation that is will to verify his evaluation. I will be glad to help pay for this verification.


I'll chip in too. Why would the professor put his name out there? He did this pro bono. We now know the truth, but to legally prove it, you have to pay an expert to put their name on it. No one will put up with the BS this will bring, without being compensated.
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