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Post by boscoe » August 31st 2010, 7:09pm

Geek, my last comment:

Wishing doesn't make it so. I have 42 years professional experience in these matters with some of America's largest media organizations.

Would I print your story (after being clued into the source like Koi - and please I don't want to know), yeah, sure.
But would I call doubters asshats? no.
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Post by labman » August 31st 2010, 7:11pm

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Following the "technicality" concrete would be considered natural since the components in it are natural; originally quicklime, volcanic ash and pumice (as used by the Romans) and modified over time but should concrete be called "natural" just because its components are?


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OMG!!! What a bunch of pathetic drones. Is there not one ounce of self-esteem in that forum?


I've been following this from the start and what else is one to expect from the big yellow cheese factory.

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In reference to the quoted thread above I'm not sure that the WG is supporting their claim of Invicta's claim of the dial being sandstone rather that concrete is not natural just because the components are.

Just guessing on that but man this is fun to watch.

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Post by Guest » August 31st 2010, 7:19pm

ok, back on topic, heavyharmonies, I want your proof that I am wrong..............give me references as to the existence of dark blue sandstone..........show me that glass is not "intergal" in glass watch faces in many high end watches........show me that the particles in the "sandstoned" dials are in fact 3d .............show me that it is not glass...........SHOW MEEEEEEEEEEEE MOTHA JUMPA.......lol dang, I luv this shit.......at 59 woooooooooooot!
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Post by iwasbanned » August 31st 2010, 7:25pm

Geek, seriously man, relax. We are all behind you. We want to take it a step further. To take it a step further, we need documented proof.

If you really want to bring these mofo's down, you have to come strong or not at all. You have to have everyone of your bases covered. That's what HH and others are asking for.

We don't doubt you, we just want to be advocates for you in this issue, but in order to do that, we need something to back it up. You have to understand that so far, Koi, SloMo, and yourself are the only ones privy to any evidence.

All we want is an airtight case that not even dumbass45, 50mmwhenup, and nylooser can dispute.

All in all good work. I'm gonna see about getting my SL sandstone looked at, maybe do a side by side comparison.

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Post by labman » August 31st 2010, 7:35pm

iwasbanned wrote:Geek, seriously man, relax. We are all behind you. We want to take it a step further. To take it a step further, we need documented proof.

If you really want to bring these mofo's down, you have to come strong or not at all. You have to have everyone of your bases covered. That's what HH and others are asking for.

We don't doubt you, we just want to be advocates for you in this issue, but in order to do that, we need something to back it up. You have to understand that so far, Koi, SloMo, and yourself are the only ones privy to any evidence.

All we want is an airtight case that not even dumbass45, 50mmwhenup, and nylooser can dispute.

All in all good work. I'm gonna see about getting my SL sandstone looked at, maybe do a side by side comparison.



Agreed

GNO - nothing but props for what you have done, but you should know from witnessing WG first hand that the Kool-Aid runs deeps in a lot of geeks; and even after logic has been thrown in their face it needs to be irrefutably beaten into their dumb-ass thick skulls.

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Post by Watch Noob » September 1st 2010, 1:43am

Looks like JS handled it professionally over there. Well I guess with Invictas track record you almost have to these days.

Although he did play the woah is me card already in his second post. lol, gotta love this guy, the world is out to get him and his Geeks.
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Post by TVDinner » September 1st 2010, 2:11am

From Eyal
Guys I am looking into this with our dial supplier. Will get a reply and come back to you with information. Give me a chance to evaluate. The info I read here make sense too. Sk the question is, if the sandstone is natural or lab created. More to come


From JS:
This thread has gotten very long, very quickly. I apologize for not being here earlier.

I don't know where each brand is sourcing their dial materials for the sandstone offerings, but I have never been able to see a difference between Invicta, Swiss Legend, or the Tourneau branded watches I have held. There could be 10 sources or only one... not sure.

As far as it being misunderstood and actually being Goldstone, I also cannot answer, although both examples posted in the first page do look very much like what we've been seeing in all of these watches.

Whatever the case, I will be asking as well. If I was given wrong information, I want to know about it.

Eyal has been notified about this topic and we should hopefully get a response for you soon.

I will also be talking to Lior since he too works with Sandstone dials, and to my eye, they appear to be identical in every respect.

All I know is that various Sandstone dial watches have gone through my hands, Lior's hands, Eyal's hands, and Juan Lopez-Davies... and I don't know that any of us have had any reason to question their validity... but if there is a story here, we would all want to know about it. I don't mention Lior and Juan to connect them to this situation, but rather to exhibit that more than just Invicta uses this material, and I don't see a visual difference.

I have also shown the Sandstone chunk on-air a few times, and one side was polished (the rest was left natural), and that polished area of the large chunk looked identical to the dial in the watch I displayed... so again, no reason to believe anything except it would be authentic.

Let's not get carried away with accusations, conspiracy theories, or angry words until we have more information. I also believe we would benefit from actual documentation from this geologist to back up


WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE POST ACTUAL REAL PROOF SO THE SPECULATION CAN END. ALL THIS IS RIGHT NOW IS "HE SAID SHE SAID". ATTRIBUTED PROOF WOULD BE AWESOME.

Until then all the hard work and efforts of the people looking into this get laughed off as possibly untrue, regardless of the validity of the claim. This is Journalism 101. Eventually your claim needs to be backed up with FACTS.

I hope there are real confirmable facts with this one. That would be awesome. The blind fanboys will always spin any claim to "being fake", or just "the rantings of a bitter person on another forum", but they will have a much harder time disputing actual reports from a gemologist or a licensed scientists report comparing both materials, etc.

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Post by andrema » September 1st 2010, 3:46am

koimaster wrote:Wasn't the Invicta sales manager Jill asked about this on air and she responded it was REAL sandstone?
You are correct. I believe that I put what she said in the other post. Good stuff!!! Congratulations on uncovering yet another lie and marketing scheme of IWG!!
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Post by TRU-LYE » September 1st 2010, 3:53am

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OK… so my day starts out with an alarming email being asked to log here and read this post. So I did…. And I have to admit that all the information made some sense. So I posted about an hour ago that I would look into this further. And I have…. I called our sourcing manager in Asia, and asked for a conference call with our raw material supplier immediately. Mind you, its 9pm there…. But we just finished the conference call. The material we use for our dials is SANDSTONE. Sandstone raw material is sourced FROM THE EARTH. The ONLY thing that is man-made is the process of bonding the sandstone grain to a brick like raw bar, which then gets sent to our dial factory and gets cut to dials and polished. Our raw material supplier confirmed that the sandstone used in dials by other watch manufacturers or the use of sandstone in jewelry are made the same way as the dials we make. Again, I cannot speak for what every company does – I can only tell you what we do. I hope this helps, but please understand that I am in no way trying to dispute a geologist’s knowledge, I can only speak to how our dials are made.
funny thing is that post reads like a response from Jim..
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Post by WatchDorks.Net » September 1st 2010, 3:55am

Assuming then, for the moment, that this turns out to be a synthetic rather than natural sandstone, we must extend the examination further, to the other "natural substance" dial watches as they all immediately become suspect:

Teak
Azurite/Malachite
Jasper
Tiger Eye
Opal
Meteorite

If the meteorite were ever proven to be bogus, there would be a shitstorm of EPIC proportions. The sandstone is one thing, but the way meteorite has been epitomized, and the amount of MONEY that people have sunk into meteorite dials as "grail" pieces, yumpin' yimminy...
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Post by WatchDorks.Net » September 1st 2010, 3:57am

TRU-LYE wrote:funny thing is that post reads like a response from Jim..


Yep. And the sad part is that entirely too many lemmings will take that post as "proof" that the OP was lying, just on Eyal's say so.
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Post by TRU-LYE » September 1st 2010, 4:04am

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Guys I am looking into this with our dial supplier. Will get a reply and come back to you with information. Give me a chance to evaluate. The info I read here make sense too. Sk the question is, if the sandstone is natural or lab created. More to come
eyal's first post.. see the the difference in sentence structure and grammar?? they can say what they want, but i'm calling bullshit on eyals second response..
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