Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

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Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by koimaster » December 21st 2009, 11:56am

I have read in recent posts elsewhere that Swiss Made Invicta watches were probably made in the Potger Pietri factory or S. Coifman factory. curiosity got the better of me I am afraid so I wrote to someone I know who is a member of the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry FH and better yet, a member of their legal department.....

His response..........

Dear Alain,




As you may know, Swiss law (Swiss federal Ordinance governing the use of the name "Swiss" or "Switzerland" for watches; please see enclosure) gives the criteria which must be met for a watch to be considered as Swiss and to be allowed to bear Swiss indications.



According to Article 3 of this Ordinance, "the name "Switzerland", indications such as "Swiss", "Swiss product", "manufactured in Switzerland", "Swiss quality" or other appellations which contain the name "Swiss" or "Switzerland" or which may be confused therewith may be used solely for Swiss watches or Swiss watch movements".



Article 1a of the Ordinance states that a watch may be considered as Swiss if, and only if it fulfills the following minimum criteria:

1. Its movement is Swiss; 2. its movement is cased up in Switzerland, and 3. the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland.



Furthermore, Article 2 of the Ordinance defines the Swiss watch movement as the movement which: 1. has been assembled in Switzerland, and; 2. has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland, and; 3. the components of Swiss manufacture make up for at least 50 percent of the value, without considering the cost for assembly.



According to article 3 of this law, in case the watch only contains a Swiss movement but does not comply with the other requirements, the dial may only bear the indication "Swiss movement". The word "movement" must appear written out in full in the same type-face, dimension and colour as the appellation "Swiss". (think Renato)


In other words, a watch bearing the terms "Swiss made" on its dial should not only contain a Swiss movement, but this movement should be cased up in Switzerland and the Swiss manufacturer should have performed the final inspection of the watch.

Swiss law territorial scope of application is of course limited to Switzerland in principle, but thanks to some bilateral treaties, this law is also applicable in some European countries. Furthermore, the Federation is very keen to protect Swiss denominations when associated with watches, especially in the USA, where we have registered certifications marks for the words "Swiss" and "Swiss made".


According to Invicta's website, the brand Potger Pietri belongs to their group. The trademark "Potger Pietri" has been registered in the USA by Lalo, Eyal, CEO of Invicta (registration n° 2938664). We do not have any information as to the compliance of the Potger Pietri watches marked "Swiss made" with the Swiss Ordinance mentioned above. WIthout proof that such compliance exists, the watches may not be legally marked "Swiss made".

Hoping that this information will prove to be useful, and staying at your service, I remain,

Yours sincerely



Vincent S***********

Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry FH
Legal Department
CH-2501 Bienne
Tel +41 (0)32 328 08 28; Fax +41 (0)32 328 08 80
www.fhs.ch
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Re: Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by koimaster » February 13th 2010, 9:23am

foghorn wrote:That yellow is damn near impossible to read!!!



sorry, it was put up when the forum was black in color
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Re: Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by koimaster » February 21st 2010, 9:47am

I'll let the guys below respond for me


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Posted: Fri Feb 10th, 2006 11:48 am

Potger Pietri is another Let's Pretend Brand like S.Coifman made by Invicta....Nuff Said
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Looking for some history of Potger Pietri preInvicta.

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I just purchased a Polter Pietri EQ (thanks Tony) & now I would like some history on the company predating the Invicta aquisition. Or anything at all about the company & its watches. I know the earthquake story about the 6.9 prototype, but I would like to read some reviews & some company info. You know the routine, I like to know a bit about the heritage of the watches I own & this one is hard to Google for info. Doesn't seem to be much published about the earthquake watch & less about Polter Pietri.

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I have tried to find the same info to no avail.
It's almost as if they never really existed except for what we are told by the current owner of the name.
Very curious.




DUH......oops sorry that slipped out......
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Re: Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by Darksider » September 11th 2010, 9:55pm

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for our new members



The original post did not have this as follow up
and there was this

http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?p=478521#post478521



this is what Michael posted in response to my Post in this thread. I was banned at geeks for making the post questioning if the watch or brand were swiss. I already knew I would be banned for posting it. The thread below was pages long as the unsuspecting members just bought into another lie by a liar who co-owns the forum. This went on in April 2009


Today, a post was made by a long term member. It was removed. A PM was sent to that user explaining that the post had been removed, why it was removed and under what conditions it could be re-posted. Instead of dealing with the issue as it was, this member decided to take the note from a member of the admin team and send it to 25 other people. Some on the forum and some off of the forum. This is a violation of our TOS. It states (in part):


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About a month ago, I made a very blunt post that we (the admin team) were going to be strictly enforcing the TOS. We (the admin team) ment what was in that post. Again, everyone needs to go read the TOS. As a result of what happened, this member is no longer with us. Not because of the post that was made, but because of the violation of the TOS. If the admin team has an issue with something that is done on the forum, in needs to be worked out in a prescribed manner.

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Re: Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by Guest » September 23rd 2010, 4:46am

Look, I'm really a novice when it comes to watch collecting, My inexperience cost me thousands of dollars because I let myself be suckered in by SKELTON and his band of thieves on Shop NBC. Thats old news now, But after reading these posts I don't understand how Eyal and IWG are not being sued for this misrepresentation of their swiss made watches. I have read posts here that Skelton is claiming that not all reserve watches are swiss made. Every reserve model says swiss made on the dial, and was always sold on ShopNBC as being Swiss made hand assembled in Switzerland. How are they getting away with this ?
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Re: Potger Pietri by Invicta - Swiss Made?

Post by Guest » October 16th 2010, 7:56pm

i had a couple watches and they were both pretty nice! Think they were both before Invicta or at least nobody knew invicta owned them at the time i bought the watches!

If you liked gold this piece looked like a solid gold watch with a cool dial and a hand cranker with a sweet strap! Very nice watch!

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Fit and finish are amazing on this Swiss ETA day/date auto, love the stepped case and the finish looks like white gold! Classic dress watch.

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