Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

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Re: Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

Post by koimaster » August 21st 2019, 9:10am

Open the PDF and scroll to page 31 of the report or page 33 of the PDF and behold the picture embedded in the 2015 Annual Report of the Swiss Federation.



I had posted this at watchfreeks as well and the invicta fanboi enzo farti had to have his say. https://www.watchfreeks.com/10-invicta/ ... iting.html


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Isn't this ad copyrighted or something ? I was wondering how long it was gonna take you to get around to gloating after I congratulated you for finally getting what you wanted. i.e. No more "Swiss" Invicta's. But if you were paying attention. You'd know that their new offerings with Swiss movements are either marked "Swiss Mov't" or, like the one above not marked at all... Listing a "Swiss" movement as being from Switzerland is no crime. Now they admit that final assembly is taking place in China. Anything sold now that is labelled "Swiss Made" is old stock. Like you said in an earlier post. Maybe it was a corporate decision. Maybe they got tired of doing final assembly of their watches in Swiss hotel rooms. So now Invicta are playing by the rules, so for crying out loud, let it go man...

The watch listed above is a nice piece. If you know how and when to purchase Invicta's, you can get some fine watches at very nice prices. You (Koimaster) always stated that Invicta never had an original design in its whole catalog. I beg to differ. The watch above is a Subaqua Specialty. Whoever created a case/cradle design like that besides Invicta. Complete with a top notch gold plated, 13 jewel Swiss Ronda 5040D Quartz movement, triple screw down crown and function pushers and 500 meters of water resistance. Currently priced a little high but patience awards those who wait as I have never paid more than $180 for any Subaqua Specialty. I currently own six. Two with the 5040D. Four with the 8040N. Excellent watches. Great looking, excellent construction and the best quartz movements ever built. NFW currently makes a sad copy of the same watch and charges outrageous money for it. The Subaqua Noma V was awarded a red dot award in 2013 for their excellent split crown and gear operated pusher system. Plenty of original designs to be had with fine movements at great prices. After all, not everybody has your means or ego to drink Louis XIII and wear 15 grand on their wrist. (must have got a great settlement on that colon issue) Invicta and other brands (say Seiko) offer the opportunity to own good looking, well engineered watches at a reasonable price.

Movements are important to me. A sweet looking case/cradle and bracelet or strap is nothing without a good movement. Invicta uses ETA, Sellita, Seiko and Ronda movements just to name a few. If you come across the right movement (not to be confused with an ISA) in a case that makes you smile at a truly massive discount. I don't have a problem with that. However, lets take a company like C.C. Filson or Shinola that takes a lowly 515.24 "SWISS PARTS" Ronda movement. Claims it is assembled in Detroit by some minimum wage making schmuck. Changes its name to Argonite and charges four times the amount as Invicta because the watch is made in the USA... Are they not counterfeiting too ? The hypocrisy is amazing...
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Re: Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

Post by Hawk » August 22nd 2019, 9:42am

It is perhaps amusing that once having learned that the markings on invicter dials were merely aspirational he cites the water resistance as though it was the given word.

He must have forgotten that WG was the genisis of the "hot tub of death" and "showers are tougher than diving" myths.

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Post by TemerityB » June 4th 2020, 9:00pm

Well, thanks to Mr. bloke and the esteemed Bazinga!, I now report that Sel Instrument POS that says "Swiss MVMT" on its caseback and dial - a clear violation of Swiss Federation rules! Hey, FH - get a gander:

https://greatmazinger.wordpress.com/202 ... automatic/


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Re: Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

Post by jason_recliner » May 1st 2021, 5:51pm

Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck about Switzerland?

The companies I've worked for (with the exception of Serco) produce premium products. They aren't the only companies capable of doing so, but not many other companies are in that space, and the product - environmental approval - usually can't be produced quicker or more cheaply. The product is expensive but it adds a lot of value. It can't be replicated for a fraction of the price.

Contrast that with 'Swiss Made' and commonly faked luxury products. They're faked because they can be. They aren't expensive or time consuming to produce, and they are marketed such that people will pay exorbitant prices for relatively cheap (to manufacture) products. In some cases, people will pay a lot more simply for the words 'Swiss Made' to be printed on the dial.

Is it any wonder, then, that the less salubrious types among us print 'Swiss Made' on the dials of watches and hock them off?

Here's a thought, Federation of Eurocunts, or whatever you call yourselves these days, and whinging manufacturers of commonly faked goods, and Switzerland. If you're reading this. Instead of incessant whining and lawsuits use your entitled little brains to innovate and add value. Redirect your considerable and annoying energies towards producing something genuinely innovative and expensive and guess what - it won't be copied because it can't be made cheaply and quickly.

Fuck Switzerland. Fucking Eurotrash fucks.

Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to extend a warm welcoming hand to any European members of Watch Lords!
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Re: Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

Post by Masshole » May 1st 2021, 5:57pm

Wow. I had no idea any of this went on. This Swiss Made subject is a huge thing apparently.
That Ferrari guy defending invicta, as well as mentioning a medical condition, is exactly why i refuse to join any other forum. There’s a shit ton of low blows and nastiness out there. Yah fuck that.

What I’ve learned so far in the short time being here is that all these butt heads that collect 100 plus cheap made Chinese garbage watches, could put that money towards 2-3 really nice high end quality watches. So I guess my question is why do they choose that path??
Hamilton’s are the nicest watches I own so far. I have some in my bucket list down the road like the omega moon watch. I love it. Also the Tudor panda posted here is another one I plan on buying down the road. I’d rather those 2 watches over 100 inshitas. I’d rather wait. I want a really cool old vintage watch with all its historic glory. Railroad or maybe a military....maybe both.
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Re: Federation of Swiss Watch Industry vs US Swissese

Post by DoctorIvey » May 2nd 2021, 8:37pm

Why did they choose that path? I'll guess. Two reasons. One, nobody ever lost a dollar underestimating the taste of the American buying public. Remember when those cartoonish choppers were all the rage? Why do you suppose Dolly Parton looks like she does? Hint: it's not because subtlety pays. Two: Eyal had/has a smart business model. Spending almost no money, he managed to reach a bunch of shut ins and weirdos and gave them a sense of belonging. He got his money's worth out of Turd head and Skelton, that's for sure. Watchgeeks cost him nothing and was the greatest brand builder since The Mickey Mouse Club.
Good luck on the vintage watch search. You're in a good area for auctions and estate sales. You might want to check that out. I saw (in my area) a really nice old radium dial Hamilton military watch up for auction along with a bunch of old RR pocket watches (PA is lousy with these as you might imagine, I'm less than an hour from the old Hamilton factory) but I had to drive my kid to a practice instead of make the auction.
As for the moon watch, I remember years ago I was at a conference with an employee of mine in Atlantic City. He had an early 70s Speedmaster that he left in the car and the parking valet took it. This same guy (he's one of my oldest friends) also had a brand new Fat Chance mountain bike around that same time that he U-locked to a chain between two stanchions. Well, some clever thief simply unscrewed the chain and made off with his bike. Guy has the worst luck. Another time he bought and built a Masi road bike (guy is a terrific mechanic, I'll give him that) and totaled it (not his fault at all) in the mile. You've got to admire a guy who can just shrug these things off.
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