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Valjoux 7750 v Sellita SW500 & Invicta
http://www.sellita.com/index.php?option ... 58&lang=en
Below you will find a link for the relationship between both companies...
http://www.christopherward.co.uk/blog/t ... ita-story/
Is the Sellita reliable? Certainly since it is a clone of the ETA movements but again, they are clones, not the originals. And when Sellita started selling their versions of ETA movements, replica companies and companies like Invicta were and are still their best customers. In fact if you went to ebay and typed in Sellita you would find almost all watches with them are Invicta.
Sellita did some small modifications to the 2824-2, given that they had access to all the technical documentation and they released the SW200. The height quotas are a bit different (therefore parts from ETA don't fit on the Sellita). The main plates of the 2 movements are fixed differently. The finish is worse in the case of the Sellita movement (I'm referring at the parts not at the decorations here). The materials used in the balance wheel for the Sellita are a bit worse than those used on the 2824.
Sellita movements include:
• SW 200 (based on the ETA 2824-2) - used by the German watch manufacturers Aristo and Marcello C ◦ SW 220 (based on the ETA 2838)
◦ SW 240 - 13-ligne
• SW 300 (based on the ETA 2892-2)
• SW 500 (based on the Valjoux 7750) - Introduced in 2002 and used by TAG Heuer as their Calibre 16
Other companies using some Sellita movements include Oris, Tiffany an IWC (in only some lower end models) as well as Christopher Ward in the Trident C60 (again only in some models of that line)
There is no shortage of ETA movements. Swatch who owns ETA got a bit tired of having their standard ebauche movements sold as “in-house movements” by brands outside of Swatch. At one point it required that these movements had the Swatch logo on the rotors. The Standard movement is no longer being provided to companies outside of the Swatch family. The standard denotes an ebache which would then be modified and sold as something like the Calibre 11. The Tag Heuer Calibre 16 is a Sellita movement.
ETA movements often come in four flavours. It is important to know what you're getting as most manufacturers don't widely make it known to you which they're using. Some are more equal than others so to speak. The four flavours are Standard, Elabor, Top and Chronomtre.
Standard and Elabor have precisely the same components. Elabor is regulated in three positions to tighter tolerance (see below) than the standard version which is regulated in two positions. The three positions are: dial up, 6H and 9H. Note that this is thus mostly acceptable for a watch worn on the left wrist! Regulation at 9H is not performed for the standard grade.
Top and Chronomtre have precisely the same components and are regulated in five positions (6h, 3H, 9H, FH dial down and CH dial up). Components different to Standard and Elabor are at least as follows: Balance, balance spring, regulator, shock mounting.
Typical popular ETA movement standards:
Standard (regulated in two positions)
Mean daily rate +/- 12 s/d
Max variation across 5 positions: 30 s
Isochronism (rate after 24H running compared to full wind): +/- 20 s/d
Elabor (regulated in three positions)
Mean daily rate +/- 7 s/d
Max variation across 5 positions: 20 s
Isochronism: +/- 15 s/d
Top (regulated in five positions)
Mean daily rate +/- 4 s/d
Max variation across 5 positions: 15 s
Isochronism: +/- 10 s/d
Chronomtre Version to COSC specification
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/smoke-m ... 58060.html
https://watchotaku.atlassian.net/wiki/d ... ETA+grades
http://www.calibre11.com/history-eta-77 ... alibre-16/
Now back on topic, it you have a watch that you thought was a Valjoux 7750 and it has another movement in it, that is fraud and deceptive trade practices. If you do nothing, this is what empowers Invicta and others like them to continue this fraud. This is only the most recent revelation in a long line of bullshit and deception by Invicta:
Fake Diamonds in watches and the explanation was there were two versions, one for the US and the other for Asia, not Walmart or Sams club. From Shopnbc to a buyer of that watch whose name has been redacted. He was a member of Watchgeeks at the time.
Dear Mr. XXXXX,
Thank you for your email. We apologize for the conflicting information you have received regarding the Invicta II Women's Classique Boutique Quartz Diamond Accent Stainless Steel Bracelet Watch (order 67146848). We are sending out letters to all the customers that received this Watch, which will include an explanation, as well as a pre-paid return label to send the Watch back. Also, we are issuing a credit of $35.00 to your original method of payment. Lastly, a $20.00 ShopCredit will be available on your account for use on a future purchase. This ShopCredit has not yet been applied, but should be available no later than next week.
Please feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions or concerns.
Thank you for shopping with ShopNBC.
Customer Service Representative
Of course there was also the fake Sandstone dials and when confronted, the story by lalo changed several times. It became goldstone and god knows what else. I purchased one for testing and put my money where my mouth is paying one of the top gemologists in the Northwest to test it. Guess what, it was plastic, nothing more. Yet all invicta offered to do was….nothing.
Who could forget the Dubois Depraz Speedways, and the “loud conversations” taking place because of course it was not Invicta at fault. Yet once again Invicta was exposed as lying to their buyers, you. They had purchased grey market modules and had some second rate company install the modules. That did not work out well did it?
Technica Swiss Ebauche, a name to imply Swiss Made yet based in Korea.
Are those Gibeon Meteorite dial what they claim they are?
The watches valued at $3500 in total value (all 30 of them combined) given to some soldiers yet the claim was made that they were worth $78,000. Perhaps they should have not posted the photos and model numbers on facebook and brag about the watch. Shopnbc was selling the watch for $159 each and 30 of them do not add up to $78,000.
Many of you that have the incorrect movements think they are one and the same, equals. They are not. There is a difference in price that varies between $75 -$180 between the SW500 and the ETA 7750. One is the original, the other a clone. If you ever chose to sell your watch, try figuring out what the difference in resale would be.
More importantly, stop thinking about yourselves. Forum members on all forums are a tiny portion of buyers. Those who do not belong to forums will not know they have been defrauded and that is on you. Step up and demand your money back, an apology in writing, not a fucking excuse from them and contact the state attorney in Florida. Their contact information is available here and on other forums. The investigation into Invicta customer service is ongoing as of today. I notified them of this new fraud this morning and they will investigate that.
I have heard a lot of theories as to why Watchgeeks went away, from people hacking it to not having the passwords. Bullshit! It is easier to manage a facebook page than a forum. And more importantly, if you are under investigation and you have a customer service issue, just think about that nice, fat and juicy database of users and customers online who complained about customer service.
I also understand that there is some concern about Bulova watches and the Valjoux 7750 movements in them. Does anyone actually believe that Citizen Watch, which owns Bulova would endanger their reputation with some scam like Invicta pulls? Bulova has an outstanding reputation as does the Accutron line. If it says Valjoux(ETA) in relation to Bulova or Accutron, it is what it says it is. Yes some of their models have Japan made movements such as the Precisionist, but the Swiss Made models are indeed Swiss Made. Just because World of Watches and their online siblings say they do not know what is in the watches they sell, take it with a grain of salt. They are not an authorized Bulova reseller. They only have grey market stuff and we know how that turned out for Invicta.
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