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Dubois letter forwarded to Shopnbc & Invitation to Dubois to post here

Post by koimaster » June 12th 2010, 7:45am

I am tired of all of the crap by the leadership of Watchgeeks. The two emails from Dubois have been forwarded to the lady below who is the admin for Keith Stewart of shopnbc.

They have also been sent to the US Attorney in Florida.


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Hello,

well your letter is causing a firestorm across the net and I suspect I will be sued for it but such is life. Attached is a post in which Jim Skelton of shopnbc states his opinion which is taken as gospel by many. In the post above his is one by the Invicta watch group technical manager. He claims Dubois is working on this in a case by case basis. Please note the date of the post.

One forum is contacting you to see if your letter is a fabrication. It seems reality is a problem for some. Please feel free to post your own comment at my forum. Just register and I will activate the account.

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Post by Guest » June 12th 2010, 8:07am

It was only a matter of time before all of the lies, crappy QC, crappy customer service, and cutting corners caught up with Invicta. I own a couple of invictas but have stopped buying after all the horror stories surfaced and I did some research into the brand.

I think this is a great act on your behalf - it should have been done a while ago. I hope this is acted upon, not thrown under the rug like WG is currently doing to quell the masses. Honestly, those saying the emails are fake are living in denial - they are hoping their saviors Mike and Jim will add reason to this recent issue, rather than using logic.

I just wonder how this is being discussed at the geek get together - but honestly I hope that some see reason there and call out Mike.
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Post by foghorn » June 12th 2010, 8:12am

I'll wager that neither MD or JS show up,claiming either illness or being involved in damage control, for the good of Invicta,Geeks, and SNBC.

Maybe we can find out where it is and all chip in and buy a round for the poor members who went all that way for nothing.
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Post by Watch Noob » June 12th 2010, 8:41am

foghorn wrote:I'll wager that neither MD or JS show23 up,claiming either illness of being involved in damage control, for the good of Invicta,Geeks, and SNBC.

Maybe we can find out where it is and all chip in and buy a round for the poor members who went all that way for nothing.


I know if I was MD or JS, I'd be staying far away from that event. What are they going to say? The evidence is all over the Net. They lied and got caught plain and simple. I'd be surprised if WG's doesn't fold soon after this fiasco coupled with all the recent ones.
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Post by Ditchdoc » June 12th 2010, 11:01am

foghorn wrote:I'll wager that neither MD or JS show up,claiming either illness or being involved in damage control, for the good of Invicta,Geeks, and SNBC.

Maybe we can find out where it is and all chip in and buy a round for the poor members who went all that way for nothing.


I'll buy em a bucket of piss. :)
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Re: Dubois letter forwarded to Shopnbc & Invitation to Dubois to post here

Post by Guest » June 12th 2010, 5:29pm

Here is the first response from big man Skelton...

FROM EYAL DIRECTLY on Dubois-Depraz "letter"

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This is NOT my affair, I do not make the watches, I do not repair the watches, I simply sell them based off of the info given to me. In this instance I am stepping in for Eyal and posting a response for him until he can come here and do it himself. Family commitments prevent him from doing this right now. Eyal is my friend, and I will stand behind him. This is why I have volunteered to post this in his abscence.

Here is Eyal's response from the text message we shared moments ago:

"Tell them that you called me, and that these movements ARE 100% Dubois-Depraz. I am traveling and cannot attend to this until Monday for obvious reasons, but I will be attend to this issue with them."

Folks, all I can do is relay the message, and I have done so. Take it at face value, and let's allow Eyal some time to deal with D-D, with the legitimacy of this supposed letter, and come back to us with his full & detailed response.
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Post by foghorn » June 12th 2010, 5:50pm

Christ,how many times do we have to hear that Eyal is either "out of the country" or "travelling" so he can't respond to the many accusations made against him and his bogus enterprise??

And take note that JS makes a point to say it is not HIS affair, even though despite thet fact that he does not make or repair the watches (he simply "sells them") he is doing a service to Eyal by posting for him.

Sorry Jim but even though you don't make or repair these watches you do a great job of LYING about them on TV even though you are well aware that you are doing so.
Of all of those involved in the scam you are the most guilty because you are fully aware of what is going on.

GAME OVER SKELTON.

YOU LOSE.
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Post by Ditchdoc » June 12th 2010, 5:54pm

DonBattles wrote:Good old Eyal Laylow.......

Question is who is going the "legitimize" his response? Given the track record as of late I'm not sure I could take anything he says or writes at "face value" any longer. And Image


I agree Don. Given his loooooong history of deception and hype I can't believe anything he says. What intelligent person could? Oh you've told me lies for years, big ones too. Your labeling of your watches is an outright lie but okay....your going to tell the truth this time. Does he think everyone is a dumbass or just his geeks?
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Post by foghorn » June 12th 2010, 6:10pm

boscoe wrote:One of my spies, who posted a response to a a post on the DD letter got this:

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

LMAO!

Banning members will never prevent the truth from being told.


Many of those bannings were issued today.

I suppose that these rubes still think that the internet watch world begins and ends with them!

No matter what they post will be seen by many "non-Geeks"

Sorry JS,MD et al , but you are done here.
Please move along.
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Re: Dubois letter forwarded to Shopnbc & Invitation to Dubois to post here

Post by Guest » June 12th 2010, 7:29pm

A confirmation of the DD issue from the hive - email from DD is shown below. It seems as though this is a matter DD are taking seriously and rightly so.

To all of you who have taken the time to write me and confirm both the nature of the situation and my initial reply to it, I thank you on behalf of myself and Dubois-Depraz. I did write the response many of you have seen and asked me about.

I was made aware of this situation by a phone call from someone in New Jersey, some 7-10 days ago. The information was somewhat hazy, but the fact that we were being accused of something involving Invicta was startling to me since we have no business relationship with Invicta.

I have confirmed this on three occasions with the owners of Dubois-Depraz, a family I have known for many years and who are considered the finest independent watchmakers in Switzerland who do not have their own brand--and therefore, no axe to grind. They work for virtually everyone in the Swiss and German watch industries.

I can confirm the following:

1. There has never been a sale of movements from DD to invicta. Invicta is not a customer of our company that we know of.

2. There has been NO communication between Invicta or any known--or appropriately identified--Invicta representative with DD. No movements have been returned from ANY source, and none are scheduled to be returned.

3. DD has assumed NO responsibility for any faults, claims or other issues supposedly advanced by Invicta, or anyone else acting in their name.

4. If someone else--especially an already registered customer--has purchased our modules and resold them to Invicta, they are reponsible for any issues which may arise. I am the only official purchase conduit for any US address, and Invicta has never done any business with me or any official DD representative.

5. Duplication has been a serious problem in the watch industry fior some time and has affected the biggest names in the industry down to component suppliers. These duplications are so good in some cases that even the original manufacturers themselves have to look twice--and sometimes even three times--to determine if the components are truly theirs or not. We have encountered the same issue in the past. We cannot fault a customer for not knowing if the movements are truly DD or not until we see them ourselves.

What we, for our part, find interesting is the following:

1. Claims have been made on Shopnbc that DD is guilty of a variety of issues, that Invicta has been in contact with DD about said issues, and that DD has assumed responsibility for said issues. No one at DD has any knowledge of such issues, claims, or supposed contacts.

2. On 5/27, claims were made by Shopnbc purporting to be the supposed mouthpiece of Invicta for the aggrieved buyers, and that negotiations were being conducted with DD, and that movements would be returned to DD for complete rework. No one at DD has any knowledge of any of these claims. All of this information is hearsay unless proven by a statement by Invicta or Eyal Lalo.

3. Yesterday evening, Friday, June 11, I personally received an e-mail from Eyal Lalo saying that the issue had already been resolved, and that the hands were the problem.

4. I have not, to date, seen, or been referred to, a direct and supportable statement by Eyal Lalo directly, or anyone else from, Invicta, that DD was ever suspected of any problem. All of the information I have heard has come from Shopnbc. If anyone has any evidence of such statements from ANY Invicta representative, either in video, written, or other form, I would like to see them as quickly as possible.

Until such time as we have proof of statements made by Mr. Lalo, we must assume that this entire issue originated at Shopnbc. For whatever reasons this may have been done--possibly a publicity stunt--rest assured we will take appropriate action to protect our reputation against anyone who assails it.

Thank you for your interest in watches, movements and the industry in general. You are, absolutely, the people most important to us.

With my kindest regards to all of you,

Chris Becker
Business Development Manager Americas
Dubois-Depraz SA
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Post by Guest » June 13th 2010, 3:55am

The big I will be fine. It has been shown in the past that it matters no what Eyal and friends claim, they have plenty of blind followers and this too will just go away as all the other things have.

Eventually Eyal, well actually Jimbo or Mikey will respond for Eyal...Eyal will be "travelling" of course. The response will be vague and worthless, but nonetheless people will be praising Eyal for his "Honesty" and crying to the heavens what a "Stand-up" bunch of guys Eyal, Mikey and Jimbo are...its just a pattern.

Posts will be deleted and 50mmWhenUp and the cruzr idiot will once again be in their happy place.

Oh, and watchbear can once again start with threats and other things that make him feel powerful.
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Post by Watch Noob » June 13th 2010, 5:01am

Looks like I missed more excitement last night. That letter from DD was no joke. I think they are a bit pissed that some 2 bit Chinese watch marketing guy is dragging their name through the mud. It appears Eyal tried desperately to head this off but failed. "Oh it's all fine now, it was the hands". lmao, do you really think DD is going to drop it there?
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Post by eddiea » June 13th 2010, 6:48am

Watch Noob wrote:Looks like I missed more excitement last night. That letter from DD was no joke. I think they are a bit pissed that some 2 bit Chinese watch marketing guy is dragging their name through the mud. It appears Eyal tried desperately to head this off but failed. "Oh it's all fine now, it was the hands". lmao, do you really think DD is going to drop it there?


I can see that so far his giving Invicta the benefit of the doubt, pointing a finger more in the direction of Shopnbc
untill DD gets all the facts together, a savvy move IMHO....waiting on the Shop reaction..this I'm sure is very serious shit for DD, with their reputation on the line, even a small drop in sales due to false rumors can cost them millions of dollars.
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