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Post by TemerityB » February 1st 2021, 7:45pm

So I get an email:

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Must be Elvis, though the ad copy never actually lists his name anywhere. Legalities, I'm sure. It's a limited edition of 600 pieces, and I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.

https://www.accutronwatch.com/products/ ... 9113043535
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Post by jason_recliner » February 1st 2021, 9:23pm

TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.

It's not my style, BTW, but I do really like the bracelet. Looks like it would be buttery smooth.
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Post by conjurer » February 1st 2021, 9:26pm

jason_recliner wrote:
February 1st 2021, 9:23pm
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.
That, and it's got the prettiest box since Aunt Peg.
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Post by TemerityB » February 1st 2021, 11:33pm

jason_recliner wrote:
February 1st 2021, 9:23pm
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.
Established and reputable? Accutron's been through more hands than Marilyn Chambers in Behind The Green Door. In the last 10 years or so, Accutron has been, at varying times, Accutron, Bulova Accutron, Bulova Accutron made in China, and its suddenly Swiss again, and just Accutron agsin, claiming its its own brand again ...while somehow still at the new Bulova NYC address.

1969 was a big year for both Bulova and The Guess Who. Watches with tuning fork movements sold like mad, and the rock band had five top 20 hits in months. In 2021, something called "The Guess Who" plays county fairs with only the drummer with any connection to the glory days - and Accutron holds on by a thread, its own history reduced to a logo on a box. Even collectors have given up. Why? Suddenly new homage Spaceviews are four large, while the remaining Chinese Spaceviews can be had at TJ Maxx for $100.

Wait 18 months, get that watch at Joma for $450.
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Post by jason_recliner » February 2nd 2021, 12:18am

TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 11:33pm
jason_recliner wrote:
February 1st 2021, 9:23pm
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.
Established and reputable? Accutron's been through more hands than Marilyn Chambers in Behind The Green Door. In the last 10 years or so, Accutron has been, at varying times, Accutron, Bulova Accutron, Bulova Accutron made in China, and its suddenly Swiss again, and just Accutron agsin, claiming its its own brand again ...while somehow still at the new Bulova NYC address.
Bulova isn't the only brand that's been through changes in the past. But it's never shut its doors AFAIK, they have some significant historical models, they currently make some nice models, and they actually innovate and do R&D (e.g. precisionist). I don't see how they are any less established and reputable than any of the Swatch or LVMH brands, for example.
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Post by TemerityB » February 2nd 2021, 10:38am

jason_recliner wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 12:18am
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 11:33pm
jason_recliner wrote:
February 1st 2021, 9:23pm
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.
Established and reputable? Accutron's been through more hands than Marilyn Chambers in Behind The Green Door. In the last 10 years or so, Accutron has been, at varying times, Accutron, Bulova Accutron, Bulova Accutron made in China, and its suddenly Swiss again, and just Accutron agsin, claiming its its own brand again ...while somehow still at the new Bulova NYC address.
Bulova isn't the only brand that's been through changes in the past. But it's never shut its doors AFAIK, they have some significant historical models, they currently make some nice models, and they actually innovate and do R&D (e.g. precisionist). I don't see how they are any less established and reputable than any of the Swatch or LVMH brands, for example.
Agree to disagree. Trust me, no offense intended at all. Oh, man, far from it, Mr. R!

I'm just trying to educate and warn. From a collector's standpoint, I've never seen a watch company more unfocused and confusing than what Bulova has done the past 10 years. And again, they claim Accutron is on its own now, whatever that means.

IMHO, the Bulova Accutron stuff from the previous incarnation (not the new stuff) was as if Stuhrling Original took the brand over - the watches said Accutron, but they were far from it. I had a chance to handle those watches more than a few times, and I was shocked - I mean, they weren't even trying. I don't see any Swatch stuff ending up at T.J. Maxx, and it's easy to see why these did. Meanwhile, at the same time, here comes "Bulova Accu-Swiss," their last gasp at Swiss-made watches that fizzled out in just two years. Why? Total brand confusion caused by shitty products on one hand and name changes on the other.

Cut to today: The new Accutron models are whopping expensive, and they've professed they're "reinventing themselves" and trying to enter the luxury segment. I look at it this way - here's an homage watch from four years ago sitting next to a brand new homage watch from "Accutron," but they weren't really the same brand. Two entirely different sets of standards. One was a cash grab, the other is a "rebirth." Another case in point: When Bulova cheapened Accutron, at the same time they turned the once-respected Wittnauer into a fashion brand in an attempt to market against Michael Kors and endcap stuff.

https://wittnauer.com/

So that's two instances of Bulova brands literally going mushroom without having the mushroom label, all thanks to corporate group think. Maybe now it's Citizen pulling the strings from on high, but these brands have kinda lost their luster, as least with me. What will they be next year? Or even, next week? You can bet your Chinese case back once one new concept fizzles, they'll come up with another one. We have FOUR different brand names all under a corporate umbrella. What once was Bulova is kinda in the rear view mirror.

Again, it's all one collector's opinion. I own a couple of Bulovas and a couple of Accutrons. I just don't have any interest in any of the new stuff. You're right, too - the word in question is "reputable." And I hope I'm wrong - I hope maybe this is a new era for Accutron; I know their new homages have gotten good reviews - and at the prices they're asking, they damn well better.
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Post by codguy » February 2nd 2021, 11:18am

jason_recliner wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 12:18am
I don't see how they are any less established and reputable than any of the Swatch or LVMH brands, for example.
Are you sure you didn't mean IWG ??

I'm trying to place Bulova somewhere within these lists..............

Swatch=
Breguet
Omega
Glashütte Original
Blancpain
Union
(others)

LVMH=
CHAUMET
Tag Heuer
Zenith
(others)

Perhaps the Richemont Group???
Vacheron Constantin
A. Lange & Söhne
Jaeger-LeCoultre
Piaget
IWC Schaffhausen
Panerai
Cartier
(others)

Nope, can't do it.
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Post by jason_recliner » February 2nd 2021, 4:48pm

TemerityB wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 10:38am
jason_recliner wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 12:18am
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 11:33pm
jason_recliner wrote:
February 1st 2021, 9:23pm
TemerityB wrote:
February 1st 2021, 7:45pm
... I can't for the life of me figure how this is worth $1,550.
Why's that? I don't know what it's worth, but the price seems reasonable to me (compared to other luxury watches) for a limited edition mechanical watch from an established and reputable brand.
Established and reputable? Accutron's been through more hands than Marilyn Chambers in Behind The Green Door. In the last 10 years or so, Accutron has been, at varying times, Accutron, Bulova Accutron, Bulova Accutron made in China, and its suddenly Swiss again, and just Accutron agsin, claiming its its own brand again ...while somehow still at the new Bulova NYC address.
Bulova isn't the only brand that's been through changes in the past. But it's never shut its doors AFAIK, they have some significant historical models, they currently make some nice models, and they actually innovate and do R&D (e.g. precisionist). I don't see how they are any less established and reputable than any of the Swatch or LVMH brands, for example.
Agree to disagree. Trust me, no offense intended at all. Oh, man, far from it, Mr. R!

I'm just trying to educate and warn. From a collector's standpoint, I've never seen a watch company more unfocused and confusing than what Bulova has done the past 10 years. And again, they claim Accutron is on its own now, whatever that means.

IMHO, the Bulova Accutron stuff from the previous incarnation (not the new stuff) was as if Stuhrling Original took the brand over - the watches said Accutron, but they were far from it. I had a chance to handle those watches more than a few times, and I was shocked - I mean, they weren't even trying. I don't see any Swatch stuff ending up at T.J. Maxx, and it's easy to see why these did. Meanwhile, at the same time, here comes "Bulova Accu-Swiss," their last gasp at Swiss-made watches that fizzled out in just two years. Why? Total brand confusion caused by shitty products on one hand and name changes on the other.

Cut to today: The new Accutron models are whopping expensive, and they've professed they're "reinventing themselves" and trying to enter the luxury segment. I look at it this way - here's an homage watch from four years ago sitting next to a brand new homage watch from "Accutron," but they weren't really the same brand. Two entirely different sets of standards. One was a cash grab, the other is a "rebirth." Another case in point: When Bulova cheapened Accutron, at the same time they turned the once-respected Wittnauer into a fashion brand in an attempt to market against Michael Kors and endcap stuff.

https://wittnauer.com/

So that's two instances of Bulova brands literally going mushroom without having the mushroom label, all thanks to corporate group think. Maybe now it's Citizen pulling the strings from on high, but these brands have kinda lost their luster, as least with me. What will they be next year? Or even, next week? You can bet your Chinese case back once one new concept fizzles, they'll come up with another one. We have FOUR different brand names all under a corporate umbrella. What once was Bulova is kinda in the rear view mirror.

Again, it's all one collector's opinion. I own a couple of Bulovas and a couple of Accutrons. I just don't have any interest in any of the new stuff. You're right, too - the word in question is "reputable." And I hope I'm wrong - I hope maybe this is a new era for Accutron; I know their new homages have gotten good reviews - and at the prices they're asking, they damn well better.
I haven't followed the brand as closely as you have, so to me Bulova is just an American brand owned by Citizen, not dissimilar to Hamilton (Swatch) or Ball (Asia Commercial Holdings). It would be better if Bulova was still an independent American company making watches in-house in the USA but that isn't the way of the world. I look at Tissot, Hamilton, Longines, Rado, Ball, Tag Heuer... all make some very nice watches I really like, but also some really disparate and confusing models / lines. All were once independent watch manufactures but are now brands owned by multinational corporate holdings. And all have models available online / grey at significant discounts. In that context I don't see $1,500 RRP asked for a Bulova-branded automatic watch to be more overpriced than similar (most) brands.

And look, absolutely no offence taken. I've never owed a Bulova, never liked that many of their models. But I do like the lunar-watch reissue and the Curv, as well as that recent (and very overpriced IMO) LE chrono they did. I actually had a Curv on my watch list until I realised it's not solar. I feel like Citizen really missed a trick not making the very cool 262 kHz movement solar powered .
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Post by jason_recliner » February 2nd 2021, 4:51pm

codguy wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 11:18am
jason_recliner wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 12:18am
I don't see how they are any less established and reputable than any of the Swatch or LVMH brands, for example.
Are you sure you didn't mean IWG ??


Yeah, pretty sure. Tissot, Hamilton, Longines, Rado, Baume & Mercier, Tag Heuer...
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Post by TemerityB » February 2nd 2021, 5:19pm

jason_recliner wrote:
February 2nd 2021, 4:48pm
I actually had a Curv on my watch list until I realised it's not solar. I feel like Citizen really missed a trick not making the very cool 262 kHz movement solar powered .
Funny you mentioned I just noticed big markdowns on Curv models at Joma/WOW. Guess you're not interested, but just in case.
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