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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by bbattle » April 21st 2020, 3:54pm

I like the pre-invicta Glycine that I have. I saw one or two Glycine's on the sale page that weren't too bad but they had those IWG wings on them. I know that dan andreatta dude said glycine went with the wings before invicta but I ain't buyin' it.

Perhaps when they've moved on from showing any connection to IWG, I might be persuaded to purchase another Glycine.

The last thing anyone wants to happen is for somebody to notice your watch and say, "hey, cool! is that an invicta?"
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by foghorn » April 21st 2020, 4:06pm

bbattle wrote:
April 21st 2020, 3:54pm
I know that dan andreatta dude said glycine went with the wings before invicta but I ain't buyin' it.





Whether you're buying it or not, it's true. It has been addressed in many threads on more than one forum over the past couple of years and is fairly well known that the "winged" logo predates Invictas involvement.



One example of many. (posts 15 and 20 are interesting)


https://forums.watchuseek.com/f18/glyci ... 817-2.html
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by conjurer » April 21st 2020, 4:27pm

foghorn wrote:
April 21st 2020, 4:06pm
bbattle wrote:
April 21st 2020, 3:54pm
I know that dan andreatta dude said glycine went with the wings before invicta but I ain't buyin' it.





Whether you're buying it or not, it's true. It has been addressed in many threads on more than one forum over the past couple of years and is fairly well known that the "winged" logo predates Invictas involvement.



One example of many. (posts 15 and 20 are interesting)


https://forums.watchuseek.com/f18/glyci ... 817-2.html
'Tis true, although I enjoy arguing the reverse, just to break foggy's balls--kind of the way we all insist that orange is the bestest dive watch dial colour, to break bedlam's plums.
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by koimaster » April 21st 2020, 4:40pm

So we all know the reality of this -

https://www.patentlitigation.ch/tag/glycine-watch/
Tag: Glycine Watch
Posted on January 2, 2019
The eagle has landed
Yet another trademark case (a quite fashionable one), while still nothing is currently surfacing at the FPC.

Case No. HG 17 77 | Decision of 9 November 2018

As already reported in the newspaper ‘Der Bund’ on 19 December 2018, the Swiss watch manufacturer Glycine Watch SA was ordered to abstain from using its current logo because it could be confused with the logo of the luxury label Giorgio Armani.

Glycine had been distributing and promoting its watches under its old label already for quite a long time, and the old logo had not been objected to by Armani. But Armani felt uncomfortable with Glycine’s new logo that had been introduced in 2015. It is the design of the crown that had been changed: The crown seemingly got wings … — or is it an eagle?
Glycine’s old website logo
Glycine’s logo at stake

Glycine had sought trademark protection for both the old and the new logo, as follows:
P-377813
672806

This is how the different Glycine logos appeared on watches, compared to an Armani watch:
Glycine w old logo
Glycine w new logo
Armani watch

Now, are Glycine’s new logo and Armani’s eagle logo confusingly similar?

Armani invoked the following trademarks:
2P-449697
2P-450913
P-501934
P-499717
2P-345300 ARMANI

Armani considered that Glycine’s new logo would create a likelihood of confusion with its own brand. After having sent warning letters to Invicta Watch Company of America, Inc. (the American parent company of Glycine Watch SA) and also directly to Glycine Watch SA, Armani finally brought an action before the Commercial Court Berne. Armani requested that Glycine Watch SA be ordered to abstain from using the stylised ‘wing crown’ logo and the word ‘AIRMAN’, based on both its earlier trademark rights and the Swiss Act against Unfair Competition (UCA).

The Commercial Court Berne indeed forbid the use of the logo

with and w/o the additional word ‘AIRMAN’. An appeal is currently pending at the Supreme Court.

It is always interesting to compare decisions of different courts and offices. Armani had also filed an opposition against the corresponding European Union trademark no. 015910301 with the EUIPO, based on its older trademark no. 015743891.
015910301
015743891

The EUIPO rejected Armani’s opposition (case no. B 2 832 882); see the decision here. An appeal is currently still pending.

While the case before the EUIPO was an opposition and the one before the Commercial Court Berne was a trademark infringement case, both had to assess similar issues. The Commercial Court Berne took notice of the EUIPO’s earlier decision (¶34.3.5), but did not agree in respect of the similarity of the signs and the degree of brand awareness.

The Opposition Division of the EUIPO had concluded that insufficient evidence had been submitted to support the assumption of a well-known mark. Consequently, it considered the distinctiveness of Armani’s mark as just normal. As to the similarity of the signs, the EUIPO held (¶e, fourth paragraph) that

[…] the distinctive verbal element ‘GLYCINE’ is of primary importance and the figurative element is of less impact. […], the presence of the term ‘GLYCINE’, on goods bearing the contested mark, in conjunction with a markedly different bird device is sufficient to avoid confusion.

In striking contrast, the Commercial Court Berne concluded that the plaintiff’s trademarks were indeed well-known trademarks, with an extended scope also for watches (¶31.3.3):

The Court considers the reputation of the applicant’s marks […] for fashion to be notorious. […] Furthermore, the Court assumes that the resulting extended scope of protection must also be affirmed for watches, as very common fashion accessories.

The Commercial Court Berne neither agreed with the EUIPO’s assessment of similiarity of the signs, but rather applied the regular principle that even the addition of an entirely different word element does not alter the similarity of the signs in the case of an identical or only slightly altered adoption of the dominant figurative element; ¶¶34.2.2, 34.3.4.

Despite the size of the word element, the figurative element is better remembered in this case because, due to its visual similarity, it evokes a reflexive association with the plaintiff’s well-known eagle marks and is thus characteristic of the overall impression.

It will be interesting to follow the further course of the proceedings at the appeal stage, both at the Swiss Supreme Court and the EUIPO.

Reported by Thorsten MÜLL and Martin WILMING



BIBLIOGRAPHY

Case No. HG 17 77 | Decision of 9 November 2018

Giorgio Armani S.p.A.
./.
Glycine Watch SA

Panel of Judges:

Christian JOSI
Alexander PFISTER
Annemarie LEHMANN

Court Clerk:

Iris KÄMPFEN

Representative(s) of Plaintiff:

Andrea MONDINI (TIMES Attorneys)

Representative(s) of Defendant:

Dr. Markus FRICK (Walder Wyss)
Marija PETROVIC (Walder Wyss)



FULL TEXT DECISION*

Commercial Court Berne
Case HG 17 77

https://www.swissreg.ch/srclient/faces/ ... &id=672806

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/invicta-ac ... e-watches/
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by foghorn » April 21st 2020, 6:18pm

^^^
Not really sure what all that means as it's way above my pay grade.
But I do know that my opinion is based on experience.
I have owned Glycines for many years. I had 4 "pre Invicta Glycines" and currently own 5 "post Invicta Glycines" In my useless and uninformed opinion I see no difference in manufacturing quality between the two.
I fully realize the disdain for Invicta many here hold. Hell, I was one of the first to expose all the bullshit before many here owned a watch.
Sure I'm a Glycine fanboi because I know that, again from history with the brand, that this great company and the core of their catalog of iconic watches was preserved with the help of Invicta. Love them (I don't) or hate them, they did a good thing.
It seems that , of late, this place has become Invicta-centric with all the bumping of all the old threads under the guise of "educating the new members"
The Invictid-19 is as dangerous to the WIS community as Covid-19 is to humans.


I'm taking a break from this place and going to hang with more reasonable (and cured of Invictitus) WIS
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by koimaster » April 21st 2020, 7:08pm

foghorn wrote:
April 21st 2020, 6:18pm
^^^
Not really sure what all that means as it's way above my pay grade.
But I do know that my opinion is based on experience.
I have owned Glycines for many years. I had 4 "pre Invicta Glycines" and currently own 5 "post Invicta Glycines" In my useless and uninformed opinion I see no difference in manufacturing quality between the two.
I fully realize the disdain for Invicta many here hold. Hell, I was one of the first to expose all the bullshit before many here owned a watch.
Sure I'm a Glycine fanboi because I know that, again from history with the brand, that this great company and the core of their catalog of iconic watches was preserved with the help of Invicta. Love them (I don't) or hate them, they did a good thing.
It seems that , of late, this place has become Invicta-centric with all the bumping of all the old threads under the guise of "educating the new members"
The Invictid-19 is as dangerous to the WIS community as Covid-19 is to humans.


I'm taking a break from this place and going to hang with more reasonable (and cured of Invictitus) WIS

The question has nothing to do with invicta nor does my response. It has to do with the logo and whether invicta influenced it. As the lawsuit by Armani shows, it had nothing to do with invicta. This pre-dates invicta involvement which stared in 2017, after the lawsuit started.

Invicta was notified about the decision because they are now the owners of the company.
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by koimaster » April 21st 2020, 7:30pm

[quote=Rusty post_id=481456 time=1587521829 user_id=364
Maybe this is why many of the models with the winged logo are being sold so cheaply and why the new Combat divers use the old logo.
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I suspect it is the reason as you say. Pretty slick how it worked out for all. Armani is happy, no protracted lawsuit and everyone is happy.

And I like this one

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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

Post by artman » April 21st 2020, 11:51pm

koimaster wrote:
April 21st 2020, 7:08pm
foghorn wrote:
April 21st 2020, 6:18pm
^^^
Not really sure what all that means as it's way above my pay grade.
But I do know that my opinion is based on experience.
I have owned Glycines for many years. I had 4 "pre Invicta Glycines" and currently own 5 "post Invicta Glycines" In my useless and uninformed opinion I see no difference in manufacturing quality between the two.
I fully realize the disdain for Invicta many here hold. Hell, I was one of the first to expose all the bullshit before many here owned a watch.
Sure I'm a Glycine fanboi because I know that, again from history with the brand, that this great company and the core of their catalog of iconic watches was preserved with the help of Invicta. Love them (I don't) or hate them, they did a good thing.
It seems that , of late, this place has become Invicta-centric with all the bumping of all the old threads under the guise of "educating the new members"
The Invictid-19 is as dangerous to the WIS community as Covid-19 is to humans.


I'm taking a break from this place and going to hang with more reasonable (and cured of Invictitus) WIS

The question has nothing to do with invicta nor does my response. It has to do with the logo and whether invicta influenced it. As the lawsuit by Armani shows, it had nothing to do with invicta. This pre-dates invicta involvement which stared in 2017, after the lawsuit started.

Invicta was notified about the decision because they are now the owners of the company.
Didn't Armani steal their logo from Longines?
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Re: Glycine- up to 90% off

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