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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by jason_recliner » July 29th 2023, 5:09pm

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Are now; using reverse engineered technology.

I wouldn't be surprised if the technology donors are among us. Not here on the forum, but within government. At some point they will fully disclose.
Interesting. For a long time I have doubted the likelihood of extraterrestrial presence in the form of 'conventional' matter due to the likely distances and timeframes required to get here. If here at all, I considered it most likely it would be in another form of energy or another dimension, analogous to dark matter or dark energy. For this reason, if an ET intelligence is/was here, I didn't think we'd be able to detect them as they likely wouldn't interact with EM radiation.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by smellody » July 29th 2023, 7:21pm

jason_recliner wrote:
July 29th 2023, 5:09pm
smellody wrote:
July 29th 2023, 4:49pm
Are now; using reverse engineered technology.

I wouldn't be surprised if the technology donors are among us. Not here on the forum, but within government. At some point they will fully disclose.
Interesting. For a long time I have doubted the likelihood of extraterrestrial presence in the form of 'conventional' matter due to the likely distances and timeframes required to get here. If here at all, I considered it most likely it would be in another form of energy or another dimension, analogous to dark matter or dark energy. For this reason, if an ET intelligence is/was here, I didn't think we'd be able to detect them as they likely wouldn't interact with EM radiation.
Me too. I don't think, at this point it is a detection thing. I thing they are part of steering/in control but letting the idiots do what they do that conforms to historical tradition to the point theily need to step in, or pull the plug.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by jason_recliner » July 29th 2023, 11:43pm

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I think all this alien shit is the bunk. Until I see ET in a goddamn jar full of formaldehyde, he can suck my dick.
Any thoughts on what those aerial phenomena might be?

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July 29th 2023, 10:22pm
On the other hand, all this AI bullshit is making the hairs on my chocolate starfish curl.
AI is likely the next step in evolution. As a scientist I find it fascinating and intellectually exciting; as a person, I'm not sure I'm ready to not be top of the tree any more. But parts of scociety are determined to make it happen. If extraterrestrial intelligence does make it here in a four-dimensional form comprised of matter, it's almost certain to be silicone-based/AI rather than organic IMO.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by Hawk » August 1st 2023, 1:08pm

I enjoy speculative fiction as much as any and more than most but I would prefer that elected officials not indulge in such things on my dime. They’re welcome to do so on their own time.

Meanwhile they illustrate how thoroughly our evidentiary standards have collapsed. Though I suppose it’s less harmful than making shit up about satanist daycare providers or making bank on recovered memory scams. We cycle in and out of public national hysterics on a more or less regular basis.

As to what they are - beats the hell out of me. They, by definition, are unidentified. Anything is possible but not everything is probable.

Seems to me an advanced extraterrestrial species would be most likely to roll the windows up and stare resolutely ahead while trying to ignore the train wreck.

The laws of very large numbers suggest we are not alone but they don’t suggest we’ll meet and they certainly don’t suggest it’s already happened. But I’m open to evidence while remaining closed to claims of evidence. We’ve had enough claims of evidence to last any American several lifetimes in just the last three years.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by smellody » August 1st 2023, 1:18pm

Hawk wrote:
August 1st 2023, 1:08pm
I enjoy speculative fiction as much as any and more than most but I would prefer that elected officials not indulge in such things on my dime. They’re welcome to do so on their own time.

Meanwhile they illustrate how thoroughly our evidentiary standards have collapsed. Though I suppose it’s less harmful than making shit up about satanist daycare providers or making bank on recovered memory scams. We cycle in and out of public national hysterics on a more or less regular basis.

As to what they are - beats the hell out of me. They, by definition, are unidentified. Anything is possible but not everything is probable.

Seems to me an advanced extraterrestrial species would be most likely to roll the windows up and stare resolutely ahead while trying to ignore the train wreck.

The laws of very large numbers suggest we are not alone but they don’t suggest we’ll meet and they certainly don’t suggest it’s already happened. But I’m open to evidence while remaining closed to claims of evidence. We’ve had enough claims of evidence to last any American several lifetimes in just the last three years.
If they are us, or left us behind to seed and grow they may need our biological that their AI can't synthesize. They are here among us keeping an eye until they fully harvest and reseed or perhaps just keeping us as pets and making sure we don't set the atmosphere on fire.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by Hawk » August 1st 2023, 3:12pm

smellody wrote:
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If they are us, or left us behind to seed and grow they may need our biological that their AI can't synthesize. They are here among us keeping an eye until they fully harvest and reseed or perhaps just keeping us as pets and making sure we don't set the atmosphere on fire.
Quite possible but without evidence. Conjecture can be fun and probably more interesting than the Prometheus movie.

Sometimes I wonder if the similarities between extraterrestrial intervention and some religions is entirely coincidental. If their hobby is keeping us from setting fire to the joint I might question their competence. The “kid with an ant farm” or “zoo” hypothesis has appeal. As does “living in a simulation” though we really don’t need aliens to gin that up.

Abiogenesis remains a mystery. Until our lifetimes are measured in eons we probably won’t sort it out definitively although we’ve no shortage of theories.

Interesting, entertaining but doesn’t belong in congress although I’d concede it’s probably not the most outlandish shitshow they’ve undertaken in recent memory.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by smellody » August 1st 2023, 3:36pm

Hawk wrote:
August 1st 2023, 3:12pm
smellody wrote:
August 1st 2023, 1:18pm

If they are us, or left us behind to seed and grow they may need our biological that their AI can't synthesize. They are here among us keeping an eye until they fully harvest and reseed or perhaps just keeping us as pets and making sure we don't set the atmosphere on fire.
Quite possible but without evidence. Conjecture can be fun and probably more interesting than the Prometheus movie.

Sometimes I wonder if the similarities between extraterrestrial intervention and some religions is entirely coincidental. If their hobby is keeping us from setting fire to the joint I might question their competence. The “kid with an ant farm” or “zoo” hypothesis has appeal. As does “living in a simulation” though we really don’t need aliens to gin that up.

Abiogenesis remains a mystery. Until our lifetimes are measured in eons we probably won’t sort it out definitively although we’ve no shortage of theories.

Interesting, entertaining but doesn’t belong in congress although I’d concede it’s probably not the most outlandish shitshow they’ve undertaken in recent memory.
Agree, all speculation but is one of the few ways I can explain our political sideshow.

It seems that every year there is more and more video evidence of UFOs/UAP/USOs etc. Also, more and more people that aren't sideshow freaks that are coming forward and telling stories of what they've seen.

It is like a conditioning of sorts so when disclosure finally happens it will be less of a blow to our feeble collective brains.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by jason_recliner » August 1st 2023, 3:52pm

smellody wrote:
August 1st 2023, 3:36pm

It is like a conditioning of sorts so when disclosure finally happens it will be less of a blow to our feeble collective brains.
Yes, I wondered if this might be a possibility. Or is it new and secret military tech the government is not yet ready to disclose? Like when people saw the Blackbird and F-117 before they were public knowledge.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by Hawk » August 2nd 2023, 7:42am

smellody wrote:
August 1st 2023, 3:36pm

Agree, all speculation but is one of the few ways I can explain our political sideshow.

It seems that every year there is more and more video evidence of UFOs/UAP/USOs etc. Also, more and more people that aren't sideshow freaks that are coming forward and telling stories of what they've seen.

It is like a conditioning of sorts so when disclosure finally happens it will be less of a blow to our feeble collective brains.
Nothing wrong with speculating. I believe it's required for membership in the intertubz and it's mostly harmless. But I'm not sure it's viable to use one sideshow to explain a different sideshow. It's still a sideshow.

More pictures and videos are around on every topic imaginable now that everyone is carrying a camera around on their phone. Nonetheless the UAP pics and videos seem to remain universally fuzzy. If they looked more like snaps of the Chinese spy balloon it'd be different. The balloon pics were sharp, well defined, in focus - all that shit.

I've lost confidence in well-qualified people in the last several years. I suppose this is the natural consequence of board-certified medical doctors endorsing theories about lizard people and demon sperm or ex-NASA employees calling the moon landings fake. Remember the hysteria surrounding Y2K? An inlaw of mine went full survivalist right down to buying a unabomber type hut in the wilderness while his day job was debugging code for Microsoft. Perfectly qualified and dead wrong at the same time. Y2K did hold a valuable lesson though: there's no money to made saying "piffle, what the AF?" - all the money in book sales, late night TV appearances etc. involved elevators falling, cars dying, planes falling out the sky, electrical grid meltdown, nuclear reactor sites blowing up and the like - none of which happened. The wildest shit always pays the best. There simply is no bank to be made from telling people the most plausible answer is mundane and terminally boring. I'd wager the rent that Erich von Daniken made more money than any 100 Egyptologists combined just by peddling absolute nonsense. Nobody seemed to care that von Daniken had been convicted of fraud. Fair to bring up a history of criminal lies from the apostle of ancient astronauts? I believe it is.

Being conditioned to ease us into a revelation is appealing but the amount of secrecy and coordination required seems not to have manifested in prior cases like keeping a hummer in the oval office a secret. Humans just aren't made that way. Sure as shit one of the several thousand in the know would get drunk at a strip club and show off his chunk of Xenonite or present his sample of extraterrestrial DNA to the Enquirer.

Still I remain open to evidence (distinct from "claims of evidence"). It'd be nice to know we're not alone either by virtue of actually being alone or functionally alone due to distance or some other mundane consideration.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by conjurer » August 2nd 2023, 9:32am

Hawk wrote:
August 2nd 2023, 7:42am
smellody wrote:
August 1st 2023, 3:36pm

Agree, all speculation but is one of the few ways I can explain our political sideshow.

It seems that every year there is more and more video evidence of UFOs/UAP/USOs etc. Also, more and more people that aren't sideshow freaks that are coming forward and telling stories of what they've seen.

It is like a conditioning of sorts so when disclosure finally happens it will be less of a blow to our feeble collective brains.
Nothing wrong with speculating. I believe it's required for membership in the intertubz and it's mostly harmless. But I'm not sure it's viable to use one sideshow to explain a different sideshow. It's still a sideshow.

More pictures and videos are around on every topic imaginable now that everyone is carrying a camera around on their phone. Nonetheless the UAP pics and videos seem to remain universally fuzzy. If they looked more like snaps of the Chinese spy balloon it'd be different. The balloon pics were sharp, well defined, in focus - all that shit.

I've lost confidence in well-qualified people in the last several years. I suppose this is the natural consequence of board-certified medical doctors endorsing theories about lizard people and demon sperm or ex-NASA employees calling the moon landings fake. Remember the hysteria surrounding Y2K? An inlaw of mine went full survivalist right down to buying a unabomber type hut in the wilderness while his day job was debugging code for Microsoft. Perfectly qualified and dead wrong at the same time. Y2K did hold a valuable lesson though: there's no money to made saying "piffle, what the AF?" - all the money in book sales, late night TV appearances etc. involved elevators falling, cars dying, planes falling out the sky, electrical grid meltdown, nuclear reactor sites blowing up and the like - none of which happened. The wildest shit always pays the best. There simply is no bank to be made from telling people the most plausible answer is mundane and terminally boring. I'd wager the rent that Erich von Daniken made more money than any 100 Egyptologists combined just by peddling absolute nonsense. Nobody seemed to care that von Daniken had been convicted of fraud. Fair to bring up a history of criminal lies from the apostle of ancient astronauts? I believe it is.

Being conditioned to ease us into a revelation is appealing but the amount of secrecy and coordination required seems not to have manifested in prior cases like keeping a hummer in the oval office a secret. Humans just aren't made that way. Sure as shit one of the several thousand in the know would get drunk at a strip club and show off his chunk of Xenonite or present his sample of extraterrestrial DNA to the Enquirer.

Still I remain open to evidence (distinct from "claims of evidence"). It'd be nice to know we're not alone either by virtue of actually being alone or functionally alone due to distance or some other mundane consideration.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by 3Flushes » August 7th 2023, 7:24pm

smellody wrote:
August 1st 2023, 1:18pm
If they are us, or left us behind to seed and grow they may need our biological that their AI can't synthesize. They are here among us keeping an eye until they fully harvest and reseed or perhaps just keeping us as pets and making sure we don't set the atmosphere on fire.
Hard to believe that an intelligent life form would need anything from stinking humans to improve themselves given their superior ability to travel to and from the earth while remaining virtually — as far as we know — undetectable.
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Post by Hawk » August 15th 2023, 1:01pm

Them aliens are a puzzling lot. Apparently possessed of both technology so advanced we can’t distinguish it from magic while simultaneously being dumber than a stump in a bayou. How else to explain trivializing interstellar navigation with being so stupid they can’t land the thing without Peruvian natives providing them with a big-ass picture of a chicken in Nazca for guidance?

But I suppose we’re in no position to complain: we put Chatiots of the Gods in the exact same part of a bookstore as A Brief History of Time.
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Post by 3Flushes » August 15th 2023, 6:13pm

Hawk wrote:
August 15th 2023, 1:01pm
Them aliens are a puzzling lot. Apparently possessed of both technology so advanced we can’t distinguish it from magic while simultaneously being dumber than a stump in a bayou. How else to explain trivializing interstellar navigation with being so stupid they can’t land the thing without Peruvian natives providing them with a big-ass picture of a chicken in Nazca for guidance?

But I suppose we’re in no position to complain: we put Chatiots of the Gods in the exact same part of a bookstore as A Brief History of Time.
Indeed...
and yet smart enough to prevent clear images of their craft from being taken despite, even the best digital image caturing equipment, on US military fighter aircraft. Must be some sort of, although less effective, Clingon cloaking device kind of deal.
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Re: UAP Hearing

Post by Hawk » August 16th 2023, 8:35am

I was distressed to learn that the Star Trek Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton closed in 2008. Fortunately the recipe for Quark’s Bar Warp Core Breach drink lives on.

I drank one but my memory of the incident is muddled. Perhaps understandably so now that I know how much rum was in it.

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