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Saw it last night. The opening scenes suggested this was a big movie with big story and it didn't disappoint. It's long, with a bit of a lull for about 20-30 minutes in the second act, but it's probably necessary to provide enough detail for the plot. Less attempts and jokes and one-liners than most 007 movies, but a few good ones, and warmth and humor more broadly provided by the main subplot. The ending gives some tantalising possibilites for the next instalments.

If you haven't seen it and you like Bond movies you really should see it. If you have seen it, what did you think?

I felt like I was kicked in the balls at the end.

I was grumpy for two weeks. End of an era.

Makes me wonder about nanobots and viruses and current world affairs.

Also, why the fuck kill Felix?

Also, the lasses were HOT .

If you haven't seen it yet, perhaps don't read the good doctor's insights, above!

Seen it. And frankly, I'm no fan of it. Parts of it felt like a Robert Rodriguez film. Which is OK...in a Robert Rodriguez film, not in a goddamn Bond. What I really didn't like was the sheer way of being of Bond in this film. I mean... Sort of like a special forces veteran who hit the lotto jackpot and is now doing his best to spend the winnings on booze alone. Which would make a good film, just not a good Bond film.
Agree with Smells that the lasses were hot.

smellody wrote: ↑

November 13th 2021, 6:40pm

I felt like I was kicked in the balls at the end.

I was grumpy for two weeks. End of an era.

Makes me wonder about nanobots and viruses and current world affairs.

Also, why the fuck kill Felix?

Also, the lasses were HOT .

Felt pretty much the same here..sadly, an end of an era..but no, many of the prior films had much hotter lasses, imo..

Thunder1 wrote: ↑

November 14th 2021, 8:37am

smellody wrote: ↑

November 13th 2021, 6:40pm

I felt like I was kicked in the balls at the end.

I was grumpy for two weeks. End of an era.

Makes me wonder about nanobots and viruses and current world affairs.

Also, why the fuck kill Felix?

Also, the lasses were HOT .

Felt pretty much the same here..sadly, an end of an era..but no, many of the prior films had much hotter lasses, imo..

and names - like, Pussy Galore!

Nuvolari wrote: ↑

November 14th 2021, 11:33am

Thunder1 wrote: ↑

November 14th 2021, 8:37am

smellody wrote: ↑

November 13th 2021, 6:40pm

I felt like I was kicked in the balls at the end.

I was grumpy for two weeks. End of an era.

Makes me wonder about nanobots and viruses and current world affairs.

Also, why the fuck kill Felix?

Also, the lasses were HOT .

Felt pretty much the same here..sadly, an end of an era..but no, many of the prior films had much hotter lasses, imo..

and names - like, Pussy Galore!

^^Just saying..

I can’t lay claim to Bond fandom but I’m not seeing an era ending. With seven actors taking swings at the role the character always was shifting.

Any random MI6 agent could step in without needing plot adjustments - it’s not like the character was ever developed. If the fan base is fixated on the name I’m sure the philanderer has a half dozen offspring that could claim the name.

“My name? Bond. Bale Bond”.

It’ll give the IP holders a chance to recycle the villains - many are well past their “sell by” date. Nothing wrong with a fresh coat of paint from time to time.

Come to think of it Ziyi Zhang would make a great Bond.

It is dead to me. Done. You don't do that.

Different strokes. For me it wasn’t dead but it was in its dotage. I wouldn’t object to a good, solid jolt from the paddles and maybe a transfusion of fresh blood.

Interestingly the latest offering was among the best critically reviewed of the lot - something like number 7 out of 25. Not a controlled survey to be sure as many of the original reviewers are, well, dead. But 7 out of 25 isn’t bad. I would have put it closer to number one.

Then again it was out tomato-metered by Shang Chi so what do I know?

They changed his name to "Bale"? WTF????

Good thing I have all the books in hardcover.

HER. Her name.

Hypothetically.

Hawk wrote: ↑

November 14th 2021, 4:39pm

HER. Her name.

Hypothetically.

No MA'AM

Well, if they’ve made themselves dead to the traditionalists is there any reason for them not to experiment?

I suppose they could take a page out of TV’s “Supernatural” - those guys are dying all the time and keep coming back.

Now if there was something they could do to romance the traditionalists back then there would be reason to change the current trajectory. What would do it I wonder? If the answer is “nothing” then they might as well experiment or just drive a stake through the franchise and call it done.

I’m in the “wait and see” camp.

I think they'll start a sort of 00x universe. Latasha Laylana looks like she'll be the new 007. Wouldn't be at all surprised if there's a 008 and 009 also starring. Personally I think this would make for more interesting movies with more varied and realistic plots than old man with superhuman abilities saves world yet again. I reckon we'll see more of Cici as the new Felix (Chris I also couldn't believed they killed him off). Hopefully less of a focus on a ridiculous super-terror cabal led by a Dr. Evil type. More human trafficking, drug trafficking, white supremacists, government actors. You know, things that might actually happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if they reprise Bond by way of some prequels or just earlier stories e.g. what did he do in the years after ditching Madeline?

Overall, many positive possibilities and opportunities to revitalise an increasingly stale and silly franchise. Can't wait for the next one - hopefully it drops before 2026!

I'm down with prequels.

smellody wrote: ↑

November 14th 2021, 7:49pm

I'm down with prequels.

Find some who looks, sounds, and acts like Connery and put them in a DB4 with a Beretta.

Bob's your uncle.

Definitely not Fleming’s Beretta 418. Prequel or not I could never wrap my head around the 418 being used as anything other than a backup concealed in one’s sock.

A local woman awoke in the middle of the night and confused her Beretta .25 for her nasal spray. She drove herself to the hospital in no obvious distress.

Just doesn’t belong on a Bond - Fleming canon notwithstanding.

.22, .25 it is plenty enough for James Bond!

Talking of Bale, I thought Christian Bale would be a good Bond. Remember him in American Phsyco? Suave yet dangerous.

smellody wrote: ↑

November 15th 2021, 12:11am

.22, .25 it is plenty enough for James Bond!

The PPK was actually issued to British agents. If Bond’s super powers worked to rehabilitate the 418 it would perhaps be more appropriate for the MCU. Sometimes - not often - the movies correct inexplicable stuff in the books.

Christian Bale sounds plausible. Maybe Henry Cavill too. I would concede that a prequel would be too early for a babe Bond though Hayley Atwell would work - she’s got a built in fan base for time appropriate British MI6 babes. (At considerable risk from the Peggy Carter IP holders)

Well, I finally saw the fucking thing tonight and I agree with Dr. Smells. They fucked up the entire franchise.

I think this started with the navel-gazing Skyfall. In that one, they introduced some stupid backstory for Bond, a character who never really needed a backstory, apart from being a commander in the RN. Bond was Bond. If you want a backstory, read Mickey fucking Spillane.

In most of the franchise, James Bond was a smart-ass, wise-cracking, licensed to kill motherfucker. He was, really, a cartoon. Comparing him to George Smiley is like comparing MVMT to Rolex--get the fuck outta here, don't waste my motherfucking time. But Bond was never Smiley; he was pure escapist entertainment. He was a go to see a movie in the middle of the summer with some Brit playing the part and skiing in the Alps and laying hot broads. At first, I thought Daniel Craig was a great Bond, but they made him too serious.

Who the fuck thinks they can kill off Bond? The very idea is stupid.

Fuck off!

Caught this last night. 6/10 for the locations, action and Aston-Martins only. One of the worse Bond flicks (talking only about the Daniel Craig episodes) and worst villain yet IMHO. Some nice eye candy but not much of it. Craig seemed to phone it in and it was about 30 minutes too long and Im a fan of long movies. Killing off Felix and even Blofeld were non events lacking the hoped for emotional response. Like it or not, its your choice but I want to say one more thing.

WORSE BOND THEME EVER!!!!!! Fucking Billie Elish??????? This girls performances rank below Rap music and Lauren Bacall imitations. I know people love her and buy her crap but I see about as much "talent" as the Kardashians all added together. She reminds me of a Beatnick coffee shop poetry reading session stoner. Someone please explain.

Too bad Louis Armstrong isnt still around, could have done the theme and the exit.

Had no desire to watch this flick and glad I didn't.

Cecil-
Even at the bequest of a close friend, I'm going to pass on the latest Top Gun flick-------- because I can't help but see all the crap (read not-real) Navy shit they add for "effect". The first one was terrible & Flight of the Intruder was equally as bad. Money saved is money earned.

Good won’t watch this. I will watch top gun only because it’s entertaining not for real flying as we have real naval aviators like codman who can point out the literal 1000 things wrong with it. I will take it as it is. As far as this bond, I haven’t seen a good one since roger Moore left.