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Post by jason_recliner » September 27th 2021, 3:50pm

That a bunch of old people think 007 should be a white man is probably the reason he/she won't be, going forward. The Broccolis don't want 007 becoming the Jaguar of film franchises.
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Post by conjurer » September 27th 2021, 4:14pm

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I think Charles Nelson Reilly should be the next Bond.

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Postumously?
Fuck. I just looked this up, and Mr. Reilly passed away in 2007. Interestingly, the producers could pull this off, considering that Roger Moore passed away in 1971.
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Post by bedlam » September 27th 2021, 7:05pm

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That a bunch of old people think 007 should be a white man is probably the reason he/she won't be, going forward. The Broccolis don't want 007 becoming the Jaguar of film franchises.
Your point is well made.

Just need a Boomer to claim any desire for change is just 'woke' BS and the circle of internet discussion will be complete...
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Post by bedlam » September 28th 2021, 7:14am

Done!

Now we can move on :-)
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Post by MAX » September 28th 2021, 7:42am

Maybe Id accept Elizabeth Hurly in her red dress getting out of her red Lamborghini Diablo as Jane Bond but rather not.
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I think Charles Nelson Reilly should be the next Bond.
Now you’ve got me wondering about compensation when a deceased actor continues on in his role.

Like a CGI Peter Cushing reprising his Star Wars role?

Maybe just me but I thought it was creepy.
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Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
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Post by smellody » September 28th 2021, 7:05pm

jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
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Post by conjurer » September 28th 2021, 10:41pm

smellody wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:05pm
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
That is right proper, important detail.
Actually, not. Fleming was certainly a pretty dreadful author, who was able to make a mint on his books because he presented an artificial view of espionage that was completely wrong, but linked the public's (completely valid) fear of International Communism with a Superhero antidote to it. James Bond was, from the beginning, a comic character. He had no backstory, and didn't need one. One of the movie Skyfalls problem was that it went to the trouble to create a backstory to Bond, when one isn't really needed. Nobody, for instance, gives a shit about Bruce Wayne in Harvard before he becomes Batman--although nobody should give a shit about Batman anyway.

Now, I have no real issue with bad fiction--and nobody would give a shit if I did. There's plenty of it out there. Bad fiction can be fun, and delicious, like cotton candy. Ian Fleming's success came about, as far as I can figure, because he was:

A) English, and everybody knows that the English are the best novelists in, well, English;

B) He captured the late 50s and early 60s--wait for it--zeitgeist of the Cold War;

C) He made Bond a miserable bully, who generally liked to kill people--this was fine, as long as the people he had the license to kill were godless Commies;

And D), as Toby so astutely mentions above, he named dropped all sorts of expensive shit products that the lumpen who read his novels lusted after. It wasn't for no reason that Bond wore a Rolex watch (although Fleming never mentioned the model), it was because his readers wanted to own a Rolex, too, but maybe couldn't afford one.

I don't dislike James Bond. I like the original novels (although it's been forty years since I read one, and realized, even then, Fleming was no great writer) and the earlier movies with Sean Connery (and even a couple of the Roger Moore pictures). Naturally, being the asshole that I am, I like to make waves and say that Bond was too busy to save the world because he was busy sucking M's dick and Sew fourth.

I'll probably watch the new Bond movie when it gets on HBO. And I really don't care if they turn Bond into a rug-munching lesbian who drives a Subaru and wears a Citizen.
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September 28th 2021, 10:41pm
And I really don't care if they turn Bond into a rug-munching lesbian who drives a Subaru and wears a Citizen.
Hell, I wouldn't even care if the next Bond does something radically cool and goes totally watchless.......instead, getting the time off a smartphone of all places.

I would recommend this person but feel he/she/zim/zer is too light complected for the role, which is a utter shame.

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jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
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Post by smellody » September 29th 2021, 11:25am

Falstaff wrote:
September 29th 2021, 11:14am
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
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Post by jason_recliner » September 29th 2021, 2:41pm

Falstaff wrote:
September 29th 2021, 11:14am
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
Yeah, nah. I just find it irritating.

To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.

Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
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Post by smellody » September 29th 2021, 10:48pm

jason_recliner wrote:
September 29th 2021, 2:41pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 29th 2021, 11:14am
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
Yeah, nah. I just find it irritating.

To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.

Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
I love those things! ❤ 😍 I also love Rolls Royce and Jaguar.
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Wagyu makes my dick hard. It had ruined me for normal beef.
Yeah, but what is wagyu? McDonald's has a wagyu burger. Most chefs consider that how an animal is raised is more important than the breed.
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smellody wrote:
September 29th 2021, 10:48pm
jason_recliner wrote:
September 29th 2021, 2:41pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 29th 2021, 11:14am
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
Yeah, nah. I just find it irritating.

To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.

Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
I love those things! ❤ 😍 I also love Rolls Royce and Jaguar.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Jason_recliner said: "To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple."

My brother-in-law knows nothing about watches except that 'Rolex is the best'. I know a wine seller that carries $2k bottles of wine because people run in and ask "what's your most expensive bottle of wine?" and then buy it. My wife gave me a bottle of Hennessy XO one year and a coworker wanted the empty bottle so he could fill it with Meucow; he said his friends would never know the difference.

Plotting price vs. quality will produce an asymptotic line where small increases in quality require higher and higher dollar amounts and the curve flattens out into a long straight line. Rolex can seemingly stretch that line into infinity as people plonk down ever larger piles of cash to join the club.

But raising prices into the stratosphere means the competition has room to compete and increase both market share and prices. Budweiser used to keep a stranglehold on the competition by keeping prices low. Budweiser also put out way too many vile tasting products but the competition had choice but to follow. Until consumers said "enough" and started drinking beer that actually tasted good.

As long as Rolex doesn't pull an invickta move and put cables on the Submariner, they should be alright. And now Tudor can go even more upscale and still be considered "affordable".
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jason_recliner wrote:
September 29th 2021, 2:41pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 29th 2021, 11:14am
jason_recliner wrote:
September 28th 2021, 7:04pm
Falstaff wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:45am
smellody wrote:
September 27th 2021, 10:12am
Continuity and a predictable outcome are what make James Bond, well . . . James Bond.

I guess I'd add something else I like. TRADITION

Tradition is important - with that in mind and as a purist myself, Bond ended with the last of Fleming's books, "The Man with the Golden Gun". "Octopussy and the Living Daylights", published posthumously, was dreadful and doesn't really count.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?

No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
Yeah, nah. I just find it irritating.

To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.

Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
Ah, but did "every bogan/chav" know them in the 50s and early 60s? At the time the novels were written, none of the items you mentioned were either the most expensive or heavily marketed - nor did any of them other than Rolex appear in the novels - so your conclusion is sheer rubbish. Bond is undoubtedly a snob, but his snobbery isn't based on the price of his preferred tastes.

Edit: As to "good taste" and whether it exists or not, those chavs in Hong Kong who can afford it prefer their Chateau Lafite mixed with Coca Cola.
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