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Re: Daniel Craig says the next Bond should be...

They already did Austin Powers!
Fuck. I just looked this up, and Mr. Reilly passed away in 2007. Interestingly, the producers could pull this off, considering that Roger Moore passed away in 1971.
Your point is well made.jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 27th 2021, 3:50pmThat a bunch of old people think 007 should be a white man is probably the reason he/she won't be, going forward. The Broccolis don't want 007 becoming the Jaguar of film franchises.
Surely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
That is right proper, important detail.jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
Actually, not. Fleming was certainly a pretty dreadful author, who was able to make a mint on his books because he presented an artificial view of espionage that was completely wrong, but linked the public's (completely valid) fear of International Communism with a Superhero antidote to it. James Bond was, from the beginning, a comic character. He had no backstory, and didn't need one. One of the movie Skyfalls problem was that it went to the trouble to create a backstory to Bond, when one isn't really needed. Nobody, for instance, gives a shit about Bruce Wayne in Harvard before he becomes Batman--although nobody should give a shit about Batman anyway.smellody wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:05pmThat is right proper, important detail.jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
Hell, I wouldn't even care if the next Bond does something radically cool and goes totally watchless.......instead, getting the time off a smartphone of all places.
jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
Falstaff wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 11:14amjason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
Yeah, nah. I just find it irritating.Falstaff wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 11:14amjason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
I love those things! ❤jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 2:41pmYeah, nah. I just find it irritating.Falstaff wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 11:14amjason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.
Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
Yeah, but what is wagyu? McDonald's has a wagyu burger. Most chefs consider that how an animal is raised is more important than the breed.
Nothing wrong with that.smellody wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 10:48pmI love those things! ❤jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 2:41pmYeah, nah. I just find it irritating.Falstaff wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 11:14amjason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.
Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.I also love Rolls Royce and Jaguar.
Ah, but did "every bogan/chav" know them in the 50s and early 60s? At the time the novels were written, none of the items you mentioned were either the most expensive or heavily marketed - nor did any of them other than Rolex appear in the novels - so your conclusion is sheer rubbish. Bond is undoubtedly a snob, but his snobbery isn't based on the price of his preferred tastes.jason_recliner wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 2:41pmYeah, nah. I just find it irritating.Falstaff wrote: ↑September 29th 2021, 11:14amjason_recliner wrote: ↑September 28th 2021, 7:04pmSurely the Bond books written by other authors are better than those by Fleming. Admittedly I've only read Casino Royale but it was unbelievably awful, like something I would have written in year eight. Just a series of painfully literal descriptions and pointless brand name references. Bond likes a warm mug of Nestum before bed? Why are you telling me this?
No, Fleming was no Chuck Dickens, but he did invent the Bond character and fleshed him out nicely in the course of 12 novels and 2 story collections. As to Fleming's brand name references, they were less product placement than Bond's good - and very particular tastes. For instance, when the novels were written, Rolex wasn't the must-have status icon that it is today. Rolex was known primarily as a rugged "tool" watch - especially in steel as was Bond's - very suitable for a fellow in Bond's line of work. He likes his wine, knows quite a bit about it and is picky about the vintage - so am I. He likes good food and knows the difference - me too. I'm not quite as picky about how my martinis are mixed as Bond, but I've sent more than one back for not being cold enough or dry enough. He buys his Bentleys second hand. I'd say his one real indulgence is having his cigarettes custom made at Morland's with the 3 gold rings of his commander's rank embossed on them - a practice not uncommon amongst British naval officers. He lights them with a gun-metal gray Ronson and smokes 60 a day. All-in-all, particular - but hardly extravagant - in his tastes with enough income to support them. His milieu often calls for him to frequent the haunts of the wealthy and privileged - after all, a knowledge of which fork is which and a good vintage versus a bad could be the difference between life and death, so his profession is well served by his good taste.
To elaborate... Everybody likes yummy food and nice things. Picking the most expensive, heavily marketed watch or bottle of wine is not a skill or special ability. It's not a sign of 'good taste', as if there even in such a thing. Hell, at most restaurants the wines are listed in order of price, to make it really simple.
Every bogan/chav between here, Hong Kong, London and LA knows wagyu, LV, Rolex, Hennessy and Chateau Lafite.
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