Watchlords

Tattoo, I had the same feeling to it. Honestly, I just chose to back off and avoid a drawn out rant. I just thought it was so dramatic for most of the posts to mention DBs are overpriced. I'd rather fork out what DBs are selling for than to tolerate more Invicta bullshit. Peace of mind is worth a little more I think...

iwasbanned wrote:A lot of those guys live fantasy lives on watchgeeks. They are CEOs, bad-asses, pussy magnets, mercenaries, the guys who usually end a fight, ... well it goes on and on.

:OOOL:

PsychoMantis21 wrote:As some of you may know, Deep Blue had a show last night. They showed off their new T100s, which were the talk of many for a while. Fast forward to today... Geeks are up in arms about the "higher price" of the new watches. Sure, there are difference and many have been clamoring for ETA movements for the new models, but most of these "insightful" people were saying how the watches were too plain for the price. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't dive watches supposed to be simple? What exactly do these guys want? Every complication known to man? This isn't so much a defense of Deep Blue as it is another observed side effect of being exposed to the Geekdom. The watch is already 48mm, so that has to satisfy the size "requirements" for that group, but come on.... And yeah, I wanted to post this there, but we all know what would happen, don't we?

Maybe they could spiff up the design a little by bolting a small chain at different points around the dial face and claim that the chain used was the actual anchor chain used on a model of the Titanic that was owned by Margaret Tobin Brown. (as real as any Invicta claim)

Damn it SloMo, don't give them any IDEAS!!

I think the continued success of DB will depend more on Stan's ability to maintain his stellar reputation for customer service than rather or not he starts coming out with over the top designs.

As long as he is able to maintain high levels of customer satisfaction and continues to produce the true dive tool watches he is famous for I think he'll be OK, even if he starts producing more fashion oriented watches as well.

The big difference so far between DB and Invicta is that Stan has not lied to anyone.

D

Tattoo Chef wrote:ah man, I love these threads, it really is a fine line between aggrivating and entertaining though. ....

invicsub
Senior Member
Senior Geek Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 275



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've been diving for thirty years. Think I might know a little more about dive watches? Naw, probably not. Btw I've done alot of diving with DP and Invicta GD. Both are excellent divers. .

Let's take a second look at his statement...
Aside from all the mechanical horror stories, poor workmanship etc . etc. Invicta has yet to produce a single watch of any kind, that makes a lume decent enough to dive on 3 feet of water, a paramount feature on any diver watch ... so diver he's not, full of shit on the other hand, is more likely...

DIAMANTE wrote:I think the continued success of DB will depend more on Stan's ability to maintain his stellar reputation for customer service than rather or not he starts coming out with over the top designs.

As long as he is able to maintain high levels of customer satisfaction and continues to produce the true dive tool watches he is famous for I think he'll be OK, even if he starts producing more fashion oriented watches as well.

The big difference so far between DB and Invicta is that Stan has not lied to anyone.

D

Well said.

Somebody mention Philip Watch; while I personally love the brand, let's not forget that, shortly before they disappeared from Shop, they came out with at least a couple of appalling lines that may well have shown the heavy design hand of Jimbo; viz, the huge and overpriced quartz "Liberty", and the "Anniversary" models that looked like they were left on the radiator overnight.

Jimbo is the Anti-Midas...whatever he touches turns to feces.

how long did the lume last?

iwasbanned wrote:how long did the lume last?

Five minutes or so .........before the lights go out.

DIAMANTE wrote:I think the continued success of DB will depend more on Stan's ability to maintain his stellar reputation for customer service than rather or not he starts coming out with over the top designs.

As long as he is able to maintain high levels of customer satisfaction and continues to produce the true dive tool watches he is famous for I think he'll be OK, even if he starts producing more fashion oriented watches as well.

The big difference so far between DB and Invicta is that Stan has not lied to anyone.

D

Very true and very astute.

Well, it depends on how lie is defined. Do you think that ETA would allow a SW200 Rotor be placed on an ETA 2824-2?

If you do, then fine. However, I would question such a thing, even though the good people on ShopNBC said it is so. To me it is similiar to Ford putting a Chevy Bowtie on their grills simply because they ran out of the Blue Oval.

So, how do you define a lie?

bc

Oh yeah, I forgot about that rotor situation. Stan said it was an ETA 2824 that had been finished by Selitta and that's why it had the SW200 rotors.

That does seem strange to me as well. If I recall someone said that was common in the industry? I don't know what to make of it.

D

This is easily the best thread of 2011 thus far. You guys are just nailing it left and right.

Why is it that whenever I think of WGs - especially the Grand Master Ultra Cosmic WGs or whatever they call themselves that have more than 20,000 posts each - when I read their words, I hear the Cookie Monster's voice: "Me want BIG diver! Me want twelve Value Pays! Me want loooom!"

For once, koi, I can't agree with you on this one. I don't think these TV watch buyers have anything at all to do with the mindset for the watch market as a whole. I mean, holy crap, these guys sold out an entire Stauer show recently. These guys just buy what they're told, especially when Skelton decides to yell about it to feign "importance." Suckers of the highest order, with consumer views of the type that Alanis Morrisette once so artfully described as "meal ticket taste." Betcha there's lots of Snuggies, Pillow Pets, Ped Eggs, and Mighty Putty in those households.

As for Deep Blues seemingly sudden foray into 48mm divers, I can't get truly offended until the 52mms show up.

DIAMANTE wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about that rotor situation. Stan said it was an ETA 2824 that had been finished by Selitta and that's why it had the SW200 rotors.

That does seem strange to me as well. If I recall someone said that was common in the industry? I don't know what to make of it.

D

I've read before that Sellita has operated as a subcontractor for ETA either finishing or even building movements for them. I would bet that a Sellita rotor on an ETA would be a mistake plain and simple. Kind of like the Officina Del Tempo that was shown on air installed on an Invicta.

Mark1 wrote:

DIAMANTE wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about that rotor situation. Stan said it was an ETA 2824 that had been finished by Selitta and that's why it had the SW200 rotors.

That does seem strange to me as well. If I recall someone said that was common in the industry? I don't know what to make of it.

D

I've read before that Sellita has operated as a subcontractor for ETA either finishing or even building movements for them. I would bet that a Sellita rotor on an ETA would be a mistake plain and simple. Kind of like the Officina Del Tempo that was shown on air installed on an Invicta.

Allow me to desagree Mark... precisely because the have worked as ETA sub's in the past and know too well ETA's QA steps and process... this "rotor issue" should have never happened (and IMHO never did)... something does not add in this equation.

eddiea wrote:Allow me to desagree Mark... precisely because the have worked as ETA sub's in the past and know too well ETA's QA steps and process... this "rotor issue" should have never happened (and IMHO never did)... something does not add in this equation.

Are you saying you don't beleive DB produced a watch which Stan said had an ETA 2824 with SW200 rotors?

He did. He said said so himself.

D

iwasbanned wrote:how long did the lume last?

Shut up, ass clown!

Any serious horologist knows Invicta lume is 'GUARANTEED to glow for an extended period of time!'

iwasbanned wrote:how long did the lume last?

Shut up, ass clown!

Any serious horologist knows Invicta lume is 'GUARANTEED to glow for an extended period of time!'

DIAMANTE wrote:

The big difference so far between DB and Invicta is that Stan has not lied to anyone.

Based on my experience watching watch shows in the past I wonder how much of a difference there is between directly lying to customers and sitting by,tacitly nodding and smiling,while the guy next to you lies.

DIAMANTE wrote:

eddiea wrote:Allow me to desagree Mark... precisely because the have worked as ETA sub's in the past and know too well ETA's QA steps and process... this "rotor issue" should have never happened (and IMHO never did)... something does not add in this equation.

Are you saying you don't beleive DB produced a watch which Stan said had an ETA 2824 with SW200 rotors?
He did. He said said so himself.
D

I'm in accord with Bourbon City here, not saying is impossible but found very hard to believe, ETA will allow such a rebranding in Switzerland... most likely, in a third party factory...somewhere in China.
That been said and aside from the fact that he seems a nice guy, running a company with a good CS department and some think he's The Man(until now) ... whatever Stan said or will say in the future, really means nothing to me and at the end of the day, would always be taking with a grain of salt .
About his success so far, I'll will tell you that sitting next to Jimblow and using ShopNBC as a venue as well as getting warm and fuzzy with IWG is a sure recipe for disaster...I know already a few folks that had shy away from DB and patronized other micro-brands, because of that.

Eddie-we are in agreement here I believe, if the rotors were mixed up it was a fuck up is my guess. I have'nt seen the pics of that one or seen the show. Like the ODT rotor was also placed on an Invicta (we had the picture of that in a thread here somewhere). I believe that was also a simple screwup but in addition to that also an indication that Invicta and ODT use the same manufacturer to build their watches. Two different fuck ups but only one I've seen personally. Not sure I explained my view any better this time.

eddiea - I think we are on the same page. I think it is very suspicious that an ETA has a Selitta rotor. I was just reporting Stan's explanation for how it occurred. It seems unlikely to me as well.

My hunch is that Eyal has turned Stan on to all his connections in China and that the Deep Blue watches we are seeing now are made using the same parts by the exact same people who make Invictas. Those Blue Water models look just like Grand Divers to me.

DB is hot right now and is getting $500 for a watch that Invicta has a hard time getting $300 for. Stan and Eyal probably made a deal - Stan gets the connections to produce more watches and in return Eyal gets a piece of the action. If they can manage to keep the QC and CS from slipping most folks will never be the wiser. Thats my hunch anyway.

D

Funny how Stan has enough time to create new threads pimping and advertising his watches at Wallyworld, but won't field any questions or engage in conversation about where the brand is going in other threads. Can you say Lalo Jr.?

DIAMANTE wrote:eddiea - I think we are on the same page. I think it is very suspicious that an ETA has a Selitta rotor. I was just reporting Stan's explanation for how it occurred. It seems unlikely to me as well.

My hunch is that Eyal has turned Stan on to all his connections in China and that the Deep Blue watches we are seeing now are made using the same parts by the exact same people who make Invictas. Those Blue Water models look just like Grand Divers to me.
DB is hot right now and is getting $500 for a watch that Invicta has a hard time getting $300 for. Stan and Eyal probably made a deal - Stan gets the connections to produce more watches and in return Eyal gets a piece of the action. If they can manage to keep the QC and CS from slipping most folks will never be the wiser. Thats my hunch anyway.
D

Is good to add that rotors re-branding of ETA ebauches is nothing rare but actually rather common...that been said however, this practice is done by watch manufacturers under ETA licence , some I will assume, rather easier as they fall under the Swatch umbrella (i. e. Breguet, Blancpain, Glashütte-Original, Léon Hatot, Jaquet-Droz, Omega etc)) , non Swatch members have done it and continue to do it too( TAG Heuer, Tudor, Ulysse Nardin etc.)... but Sellitas is not a watch manufacturer , it is actually ETA competition, another ebauche manufacturer so the whole deal smell rotten to me....