A side-effect of being a Geek for any period of time....

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A side-effect of being a Geek for any period of time....

Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 2:48pm

As some of you may know, Deep Blue had a show last night. They showed off their new T100s, which were the talk of many for a while. Fast forward to today... Geeks are up in arms about the "higher price" of the new watches. Sure, there are difference and many have been clamoring for ETA movements for the new models, but most of these "insightful" people were saying how the watches were too plain for the price. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't dive watches supposed to be simple? What exactly do these guys want? Every complication known to man? This isn't so much a defense of Deep Blue as it is another observed side effect of being exposed to the Geekdom. The watch is already 48mm, so that has to satisfy the size "requirements" for that group, but come on.... And yeah, I wanted to post this there, but we all know what would happen, don't we?
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Re: A side-effect of being a Geek for any period of time....

Post by koimaster » January 18th 2011, 3:06pm

I am hoping Stan will not give into the hive mentality it takes to be a vendor at shop. 48mm puts into the Invicta Grand Diver arena. Same with the movement, the same or similar ones.

Geeks have the ability ( at least some of them ) to think they are the driving force of the watch industry as they view it. In reality they are a small portion of the watch buying community but they offer a glimpse into the makeup of the average buyer.

Most IMHO would be middle class or below. Avg income $30k or less. Most might be blue collar workers vs white collar. Many have zero watch knowledge and depend on the "advice of experts" named Zeta male grifter and crew.
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 3:10pm

I agree Koi. Definitely get that sense. Some of these whiners were actually saying they were happy with their Grand Diver Luminary (or whatever the hell its called) and couldn't justify the price for the Ops T100. I, for one, don't mind the size. I've seen the in person. They actually wear small. I hope Stan doesn't give in to that Geek "input" nonsense. All they do is try to get more crap added to things to justify their "prices."
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Post by DIAMANTE » January 18th 2011, 3:16pm

PsychoMantis21 wrote:I hope Stan doesn't give in to that Geek "input" nonsense.


He has already posted on WGs asking for their advice with future designs.

Koi is right. The 48mm is GD territory. IMO those 48mm MOP look just like Invicta GDs.

The man is in business to make money. If he thinks it is a good move to plug into SNBC and WGs thats his call.

I still like the 2000 GMT that Jaw and others have.

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Post by koimaster » January 18th 2011, 3:19pm

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PsychoMantis21 wrote:I hope Stan doesn't give in to that Geek "input" nonsense.


He has already posted on WGs asking for their advice with future designs.

Koi is right. The 48mm is GD territory. IMO those 48mm MOP look just like Invicta GDs.

The man is in business to make money. If he thinks it is a good move to plug into SNBC and WGs thats his call.

I still like the 2000 GMT that Jaw and others have.

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I agree that he needs to make a buck and there is nothing wrong with that. Thus far he has not fallen into the "a reach too far" territory as far as the truth goes. I just hope he is aware that this partnership with shop may cost him more than he knows.
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 3:22pm

Koi, that's what I really hope doesn't happen. Stan's designs are great and are good quality watches. The Geek influence is just annoying to me and only magnifies that they think they know so much. God I feel dirty for ever being associated with that damn site...
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Post by dude » January 18th 2011, 4:26pm

It hasn't taken long for the slide to occur with Deep Blue. (man, I do not like that name.)

A timeline would be interesting to look at, comparing sales figures since he hit Shop, alonside the changes he has made to his watches.
If that's what he looks at, and the #'s reflect positively, he may be in it for the quick bang.

OR, his #'s may not have been adequate to sustain the brand and he took the only parachute available to him. (not a PJ reference.)
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 4:29pm

If the future of DB is to become a Geek-driven brand, then I'll just enjoy what I have now and sadly detach. Stan's company can do well without the so-called Geek input. I believe in the DB product by itself, but mix in the geeks and all I can think of is a bad ending to a great story. You know, even with Jim's "expert" input last night, I still bit on one, but that was because of my previous experiences with DB watches I bought either from the site or from a private sale on other forums (no not WG, I promise!!).
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Post by Mark1 » January 18th 2011, 4:51pm

The problem many have over at WG is that the only thing they know is what they are told on TV. So every watch needs to be big and shiny-even gaudy and come in a nice presentation case.
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 4:57pm

Mark1 wrote:The problem many have over at WG is that the only thing they know is what they are told on TV. So every watch needs to be big and shiny-even gaudy and come in a nice presentation case.


Definitely.... I'm all for size, but you're right about the shiny and gaudy likes of many. I'd like to think one aspect of DB that is good is the simplicity of the presentation.

But what do I know? I'm a recovering geek....
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Post by Hawk » January 18th 2011, 5:51pm

I went through a brief period of unjustified hope for Deep Blue providing a T-100 for a fraction of a Ball.

However, unless things have changed dramatically and suddenly, the Deep Blue web site exhibits a fundamental and profound ignorance of what T, T-25 and T-100 actually mean. Sufficient to scare me off in any event.
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Post by boscoe » January 18th 2011, 6:00pm

Deep Blue is in Deep Doo-Doo!
Yes, the bottom line will be healthy for the moment. But the corporation is destroying its reputation.
If he continues down the current track, Stan "The Man" will ultimately be joining Daniel "The Mink" Minkowitz as a has-been SNBC scammer. Too bad, really. He had lots of good will and lots of good people pulling for his success.

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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 6:16pm

I dont know if I would say Deep Blue is in Deep Doo doo yet. He has made a couple of Invicta style watches, but we have yet to see where he is going. He is a businessman......why he chose to go with Shopnbc...I dont know...others have found that wasnt the way to go, Chase Durer, Phillip, Renato but that was his choice.
Im trying to work a deal for a t25 preowned wich will only be my second deep blue, I had a sea diver, which I would have kept, but the lack of half links and enough micro's wouldnt allow for a good fit, so I flipped it.

As far as the geeks reaction...well, they are used to the Invicta crap, so of course semi normal dive watches wont do it for them.

Im not throwing in the towel on Deep Blue yet, its too early. I would think he knows what he is doing, at least I hope so.
If not, and his rep goes down the drain, or his business starts to dwindle,....wont be that big of a deal to me....tons of other watch companies out there.
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 6:22pm

I do want to add, I cant help but laugh at the thread over there, they are saying the deep blues are overpriced....
amazing how strong the Invicta koolaid is...

They would rather be lied to about where watches are made, just as so long in their heads they think it is Swiss Made because the talking head on the Tv says so, and they would rather buy their flame fusion crystal and floating chrono hands, etc, than pay $450 for a dive watch with a lume dial and a sapphire crystal , etc, etc....

what a joke.........
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Post by Guest » January 18th 2011, 6:27pm

ah man, I love these threads, it really is a fine line between aggrivating and entertaining though. ....

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I've been diving for thirty years. Think I might know a little more about dive watches? Naw, probably not. Btw I've done alot of diving with DP and Invicta GD. Both are excellent divers. I just happen to think that the Luminary GD and most likely the new GD superluminova offer a little more out of the water. That's probably why Stan is adding a little more bling to his newer watches.


Hes been diving for 30 years, yet he thinks a good dive watch is an Invicta....LOL.....they are not dive watches, they are fashion watches....I would trust a $100 seiko over an Invicta any day of the week if I were to go diving......
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