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Re: More Russian Fun With Zeta male grifter!

Post by TimeMachine » August 10th 2010, 2:00pm

I'm not defending anyone, I've complained a lot about the practices of Invicta.

Is it the policy at this forum that pointing out that someone is making an aboslute assertion of known fact based on assumptions makes someone a troll?

Many of you are just the opposite extreme of WatchGeeks, they don't care about the truth because they are so full of kool-aid, but you don't care about the truth because you are so full of disdain.
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Re: More Russian Fun With Zeta male grifter!

Post by koimaster » August 10th 2010, 2:11pm

it appears the story is still in a state of flux......changing with the wind.


Invicta was founded in 1837 in La Chaux-de-fonds, Switzerland by Raphael Picard, who had the radical notion that fine Swiss timepieces could be offered at modest prices. For more than a century, the assiduous little company created manual and automatic winding timepieces of exceptional design and construction. Like many Swiss names of its day, the brand all but disappeared during the quartz invasion of the early ‘70s. In 1991, descendants of the Invicta family re-established the brand holding firm to the company’s founding principle. Privately owned and operated, Invicta has been better able to ensure the absolute highest standard in each watch produced. Active throughout every step of production, this hands-on approach is a predominately intrinsic aspect of the impressive current success of the brand. With consistent enduring strides in invention, craftsmanship, and inspiration, the Invicta Watch Group has evolved into the fastest growing watch company in the business and has sparked a movement that is turning the balance of power in the watch industry




As far as I know, Invicta had nothing to do with the Russian Dive watches. What is interesting though is comparing the review to what is posted at the website.

A portion from Zeta male grifter’s Review:



"Eyal Lalo (President & CEO of Invicta Watch) was given one of the original Russian Divers by his grandmother and used that for a basis for this design. The original was carefully taken apart so that every part of it could be inspected, measured and replicated as closely as possible. "

From the Invicta website;


This time they have tackled a design they made in 1959 which was commissioned for the Russian Naval Fleet. The former Soviet Union commissioned roughly 100 pieces to be made by Invicta in Switzerland for their elite divers in their Navy, and proved to be one of the last Swiss manufactures used by the USSR. Designed to be worn over a diver's suit this is a huge watch with large numerals and hands for better legibility under water, and in the dark. Protecting the crown is a large screwdown "cap" which tightens down for water resistance.

Eyal Lalo (President & CEO of Invicta Watch) was given one of the original Russian Divers by his grandmother and has decided to use that for a basis for this design. Completely replicating this original took a lot of work by creating this one-off oversized case, and unique vintage dial. The original was carefully taken apart so that every part of it could be inspected, measured, and replicated as closely as possible. Invicta has surpassed the original by utilizing a stronger compound of Tritnite luminescent material on the dial, and a completely reworked and skeletonized Swiss Unitas movement. All of the work was performed in their newly built Swiss factory and it exhibits all of the finish and quality of any high end Swiss Made product.






Of course there is always a new version of events........ The story has changed at least 4 times in the last couple of years.



"As I have stated on more shows than I can count... Invicta did not create the Russian Diver.

The Russian Navy came to Invicta and asked them to make a Swiss Made version (the first non-Russian version) of their existing Russian Diver design. Invicta did, and only made 100 to be given by the Russian government to the officers exclusively. Later on (2003) Eyal decided to replicate this original watch for release in 2004. "


There has been a lot of confusion on the watch of course. I responded to the above quote

No one, including myself is arguing that point. A lot of new members may not know the history between the Russian Navy and Invicta nor the history of the company in general.


From what I have found:

Invicta Watch Group is a Florida-based watch company founded in 1837 by Raphael Picard in La Chaux-de-fonds, Switzerland. The Picard family owned and operated the company until 1991, when the company was purchased by a United States-based investment company.

In fact, there is very little out there on the original company. Almost as if it never existed. The post is for information. Many confuse the part Invicta has played in the development of the watch.


From an review and post on this subject from 2007



Has anyone else familiar with Russian watches heard this story about Invicta being commissioned to create a limited run of 100 pieces for the Soviet Navy anywhere other than Invicta's marketing department. It's been repeated faithfully by those who promote and sell Invicta watches, and has made the rounds on watch sites, etc., but I've never seen a picture, old article, or reference to an original 1959 anywhere.

Some people I have run across have been collecting Soviet-era timepieces for over 20 years, specializing in military - particularly Navy pieces, and have never come across any such watch. Never heard of another collector having one, or giving much credence to the possibility of such a thing.

If anyone has an *actual* 1959 Invicta-made ВМФ diver, I'd love to see it, it would be worth a small fortune - not to mention one of the most sought after pieces ever.


There seems to be two variations to the story. One, promoted by Invicta in which they provided 100 pieces *in 1959* for the elite Soviet navy divers, and the second that Invicta created a special *commemorative* batch of 100 as gifts for party officials/high ranking officers, presumably also in 1959.

I don't think it happened, as I've never found any corroborating evidence to support either scenario.

I would love to be wrong, as I truly wish these pieces exist (so I can collect them).

It would be nice to see even a photo of these. The communists were famous for pomp and circumstance and kept complete records of all of these things. Somewhere in the world one of these watches exists or photos of it exist.



In the interest of fairness here, I am not going to post any responses from ownership of the site to spare Alan pulling out the rest of his hair. I have posted without names a couple of the posts made aside from mine. They are from the same person as is the one below.

Well, I have the watch that was warn by Yuri Gagarin on his first space flight. I can show it to you. I've even posted pictures of it on the internet. What more proof do you need that it is authentic?

Many of the watches in my collection have the original factory "passport", including date of manufacture, serial number, etc. As Invicta made 100 of these watches, SOME documentation must exist in their records.

Invicta did not,AFAIK, produce their own ebauches then, so there would be a manifest of purchased unfinished ebauches from Unitas/whomever. There would be an export record from the Swiss government documenting the delivery to the Soviet Union.

A list of serial numbers, dates of manufacture, photos of the exchange - after all, that's a pretty big deal to present a limited run of only 100 watches that would have cost Invicta a fair amount of money to tool up for the production run. They would want to document the event, I would think.

Maybe I am expecting too much from a Swiss watchmaker in terms of record keeping?













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Re: More Russian Fun With Zeta male grifter!

Post by Bigjimzlll » August 10th 2010, 2:16pm

Time machine...sorry if I offended you. I just get tired of the "Prove the lying MFer's wrong" rhetoric. Instead of asking for someone to proove Invictas statement as false...try proving them as real. And yes...with their history of lying the burden of proof shifts to them proving it.
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Post by koimaster » August 10th 2010, 2:24pm

TimeMachine wrote:I'm not defending anyone, I've complained a lot about the practices of Invicta.

Is it the policy at this forum that pointing out that someone is making an aboslute assertion of known fact based on assumptions makes someone a troll?

Many of you are just the opposite extreme of WatchGeeks, they don't care about the truth because they are so full of kool-aid, but you don't care about the truth because you are so full of disdain.

I'M NOT A TROLL .... FUCK YOU!



The policy of this forum since I am the one that sets policy, is simple - open and honest discussion on topics, PERIOD!


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Re: More Russian Fun With Zeta male grifter!

Post by Guest » August 10th 2010, 3:16pm

Thanks for posting the info Koi, that is what I was refering to. And my Post to you timemachine, was, in effect, related to this and a lot more info......lies are lies, and I am about to prove another one......more to come.(it's not nice to piss off a WG)
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