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Post by Guest » August 10th 2011, 3:12pm

AlbertaTime wrote:Tell me Eddie, do you still contend that your statement "motherfuckers multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame" isn't just plain racist?

Or are mine the only errors that interest you here?


1+ billion Chinese. The Chinese do multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame.
I don't see any racism. You are just a Troll AT.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by eddiea » August 10th 2011, 3:13pm

AlbertaTime wrote:Tell me Eddie, do you still contend that your statement "motherfuckers multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame" isn't just plain racist?
Or are mine the only errors that interest you here?


Alberta, when you or your opinions of me become relevant in any way or form, I'll let you know.
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Post by anonymous-10 » August 10th 2011, 3:14pm

How come Michael Vicks name hasn't come up?
His dogs would have begged to be slaughtered and eaten.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 3:22pm

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AlbertaTime wrote:Tell me Eddie, do you still contend that your statement "motherfuckers multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame" isn't just plain racist?
Or are mine the only errors that interest you here?


Alberta, when you or your opinions of me become relevant in any way or form, I'll let you know.

That's the puniest, lamest, limp-dicked reply in this whole thread, punk.
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 3:43pm

AT, I have to hand it to you. You have somehow managed to turn this thread about racism where there is none. I guess by ending every post with "what do you think about the racism in this thread.

I don't understand how in the hell you defend such deplorable actions. China as a whole has perpetrated more economic crimes than any other country in the world. Everyone knows this and disputed by only you. It is dispicable and you should be ashamed.

I have sat back and watched you do your best to get the last post on this and other related threads. I don't care if it short dicks every chinaman in Beijing, you will not get the last post in this one.

I hope you are enjoying your time here at WL's, if so, you are one sick fucker.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 3:53pm

Slowpo wrote: The Chinese do multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame.
I don't see any racism. You are just a Troll AT.


Then explain this, Slowpo...

The average crude birth rate for the entire world is estimated to be 20.3 births per 1,000 population. China is *well* below average.

Current birth rates per 1000 people by country...a few examples:

------------2005-2010/2009)
PRC China: 12/14
United States: 14/14
Ireland: 15.5 / 14.2
Canada: 10.3/10.3
France: 12.2/12.57
Israel: 19.7/19.8
Venezuela: 21.4/20.6
Mexico: 19.3/19.7
Chile 15/14.6
Egypt: 24.2/21.7
Panama: 208/20.1
Brazil: 19.2/18.4
Hong Kong: 7.6/7.4
Australia: 12.4/12.5
Vietnam: 18/16.3

On a list of 190+ countries, roughly 136 countries have _higher_ birth rates. The United States...139 have higher birth rates. So China's birthrate is roughly identical to that of the States.

China's birth rate isn't anywhere near the top. Around 2/3 of the world has a higher birth rate than China.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 3:56pm

Doesn't the Chinese government mandate through heavy penalties how many births each family can have? This was because of their rampade multiplication rate as I remember.

I believe it is referred to as "the one birth policy".
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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 4:00pm

Ditchdoc wrote:AT, I have to hand it to you. You have somehow managed to turn this thread about racism where there is none.

That's pathetic, , Ditchdweller...if you don't think these three quoted statements are unarguably racist, you're a fact-evading ethical bottom-dweller. If I upset you more than this kind of spew:

SlowPo: "I just got a new signature: Fuck China" and "Even if you kill 15,000 Chinese a day is goin to take a lifetime to finish them up. I say 500,000 a day. "

OTMF: "The Chinese eat human babies too."

EddieA: "the motherfuckers multiply in a way that put rabbits to shame"

...you are in _no_ position to lecture me on ethics or proper behaviour.
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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 4:02pm

Ditchdoc wrote:Doesn't the Chinese government mandate through heavy penalties how many births each family can have? This was because of their multiplication rate as I remember. I believe it is referred to the one birth policy.

Are you backing China's governmental policy?
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 4:04pm

Ditchdoc wrote:I have sat back and watched you do your best to get the last post on this and other related threads.

That's wrong, too. I left this thread last night and said so. I was asked back by Falstaff.

(By the way, Falstaff...it might be overlooked...I did respond to your post from this morning).
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 4:06pm

You continue to throw those quotes up because thats all you've got. Those posts were made just to fuck with you.

For fuck sake, at least go to China before you defend their bullshit. Until then, you have ZERO credibility living in the great white north.

If you are that much in bed with china's policies, someone desparately needs to school you in ethics.
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 4:08pm

AlbertaTime wrote:
Ditchdoc wrote:Doesn't the Chinese government mandate through heavy penalties how many births each family can have? This was because of their multiplication rate as I remember. I believe it is referred to the one birth policy.

Are you backing China's governmental policy?


So...because I brought up (on topic I might add) one of China's bitterly oppressive policies, that means I support it?

You are unfuckingbelievabley twisted in your thinking.
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 4:14pm

AlbertaTime wrote:
Ditchdoc wrote:I have sat back and watched you do your best to get the last post on this and other related threads.

That's wrong, too. I left this thread last night and said so. I was asked back by Falstaff.


So you really didn't leave did you smegma?
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Post by Racer-X » August 10th 2011, 4:32pm

Hawk wrote:I am not AT nor do I portray him on the internet. But there seems to be some fun prospects for discussion.


Falstaff wrote:...People who don't like China are racists and bigots, saying bad things about China is hatespeech, Slo-po is a bad, bad man, etc. etc.)

And here I thought the primary issue was whether or not publicly calling for their murder was or was not racist. Personally I'm growing more sanguine about the matter as it's evident those doing so are engaging in a bit of good natured AT, and to a lesser extent, Hawk baiting. My guiding light is rather simplistic: if you change "Chinese" to "Black" would you post it?

One poster has noted that "chink" or similar pejoratives have not been employed hence the posts aren't racist. That forces me to conclude that it would be OK to say you'd kill Africans, note that they breed like rabbits, have poor hygiene, etc provided the word "nigger" was left unsaid. I'll confess to being uncomfortable with that assertion.

Falstaff wrote:You wondered about the relevance of my skinned kitten face story in relation to the larger discussion of Chinese dog eating and their very casual attitude toward animal cruelty in general. You told me about your rabbit's foot as indicative that animal cruelty is not a merely Chinese practice. I concur.

I don't visit for a couple days and look what I've missed - the whole skinned kitten thing. I doubt you'll get anyone to condone or defend such a practice.

Falstaff wrote:However, rabbits are mainly raised for meat - kittens are not.

And here lies the crux of the "thread that wouldn't die" - a fundamental failure to understand that your culture isn't the only one in the world - dogs are raised for meat in other parts of the globe with China not even the, unh, leader of the pack, if you will.

We're all products of our culture and I'm no exception - I find the practice abhorrent and in particular the method of slaughter. However it first came to my attention regarding View Nam.

There a reason there are thesis, papers and studies on "cultural bias". The word "bias" fits.

Falstaff wrote:I'd like to skin the living face off the Chinese filth who thought up this enterprise, wipe my ass with it and piss into whatever was left on the front of his head. I'd also smash his wristwatch for good measure. I'm a cat lover, you see. I find kitten slaughtering offensive. It's my particular ox that's being gored. Got it? Relevance.

My question is - does this make me a racist?


The scale is way off - you only want to kill those responsible. A similar response in the dog context would have us only killing those actually responsible for the butchering. In the context of this forum that might be considered a restrained response.

My apologies for the excess snippage - I'm trying to take the advice to be more concise to heart.

Stop using words I don't know. (sanguine, pejoratives, kitten). Stop it.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 4:41pm

Ditchdoc wrote:
AlbertaTime wrote:
Ditchdoc wrote:I have sat back and watched you do your best to get the last post on this and other related threads.

That's wrong, too. I left this thread last night and said so. I was asked back by Falstaff.

So you really didn't leave did you smegma?

Y'know something, Ditchdoc...what I actually said was I was just gonna end my part of the conversation. But I thought it would be rude to just ignore Falstaff. After all, he and I disagree, sometimes lots, but there's an underneath playfulness and mutual respect to it, and we have the capacity between us to work towards common ground.

So, yeah, I returned.

As for this from you:
You continue to throw those quotes up because thats all you've got. Those posts were made just to fuck with you


Really? You're just fine with them spewing out and out racist bullshit because they're only doing it to fuck with me?
All's fair for them, but me.._I_ cross the line? That's fucked and you oughtta know it.

Those quotes are enough. No reasonable person ought to excuse that crap, for any reason.
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 4:46pm

but...but...but I thought we were being playful too.

From what I've read of his posts, I see no respect for you there. Certianly none here. Like I said, you're talking out of your ass. You've never even been there. You have ZERO credibility.

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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 4:48pm

Ditchdoc wrote:For fuck sake, at least go to China before you defend their bullshit. Until then, you have ZERO credibility living in the great white north.

Have you been to China?. Because if not, on just that basis _you_ can't claim any more credibility about China than you allow me.
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Post by Ditchdoc » August 10th 2011, 4:53pm

AlbertaTime wrote:
Ditchdoc wrote:For fuck sake, at least go to China before you defend their bullshit. Until then, you have ZERO credibility living in the great white north.

Have you been to China?. Because if not, on just that basis _you_ can't claim any more credibility about China than you allow me.


Sounds fair. You shut the fuck up supporting their bullshit and I will quit pointing out their horrific practices and track record.

BTW, the evidence far more supports the fact that China sucks. All you got is to whimper and call everyone a racist.
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Post by anonymous-10 » August 10th 2011, 4:59pm

Unfortunately,due to many intelligent posts and an equal number of the opposite ilk, this thread seems to have become the stereotypical "pissing contest". All the points have been made,and remade ,ad nauseum.

Stupid is as stupid does. Interpret it as you will.
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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 5:02pm

Ditchdoc wrote:BTW AT, there's a post about China copying the Iphone. Why don't you head over there and defend that as well.


I saw that. It's horrible. The folks who build 'em oughtta be ashamed, the folks who buy them ought to be ashamed, and the Chinese government ought to do what it can to stop it. I've never defended that stuff.

What else its there to say?
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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 6:25pm

Ditchdoc wrote:If the Chinese government can stop people from talking and stifle free speech, they could certianly stop counterfieters in their country IF they wanted too. Don't you think?


Ditchdoc, I don't want to be nasty with you..I really don't. I apologize for calling you names. The disagreements might stay but I'm serious. Please take what I'm going to say in that light; I'm not trying to make excuses for the Chinese or be in your face in any way. I'm just trying to give you an answer as best I know how...

You've asked a serious question and I'll try to give a serious answer. It might get a bit long, but it's not a simple problem or situation.

First, some context:

If you read the article regarding the rescued dogs that Hawk brought up...
China Dog Rescue: Hundreds Of Animals Rescued From Slaughter By Activist Road Blockade
...you'll notice (besides that's possible to quickly gather a number of animal lovers willing to spend considerable money and take political risks to rescue animals) that the rescue was organized using a Chinese social networking app called "Sina Weibo, a popular Twitter-like microblogging site".

That's because, thankfully, there actually is a great amount of speech and social activity the Chinese government can't control. And also, many times, doesn't really care to (that's why Sina Weibo exists at all).

But the government is in a very tricky (read astonishingly complex) situation on a number of fronts, including but certainly not limited to dogs or counterfeits, and I think that's what many in the western world fail to fully appreciate.

Here's a quoted paragraph from a very insightful article from Slate magazine, regarding an interview with "Xu Kuangdi, a veteran apparatchik, engineer, manager, and leader...an academic who served as mayor of Shanghai from 1995 through 2001, is vice chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference and president of the Chinese Academy of Engineering Sciences.":

http://www.slate.com/id/2236703/

the article wrote:Of course, in China, Marxist morality shifts over time. And today, the most moral thing that Chinese policies and people can do is promote economic growth and development, regardless of the distributional outcomes.

In our time in China, we heard several reasons why the massive country simply couldn't adopt Western-style democracy. The population is too large and too diverse. Democracy promotes the sort of arguing that hinders growth. The performance of other Asian countries seemed to have suffered when fractious democracies emerged from authoritarian or military rule. Xu added a new one: It would promote unhealthy class warfare.

If elections were to be held in a large geographical area where gaps between the rich and poor are wide, and in which people have different educational backgrounds, "it might cause turbulences to society," he said. "If somebody just went out in the street and shouted, 'I will divide the property of rich people into poor people,' I think he would be elected. But it is useless, as parity will not solve the problem of economic development." (emphasis mine--AT)

Yes, the creation of wealth in China has been wildly uneven. But this, too, is consistent with the party's goals, doctrine, and history, according to Xu. "Sometimes when we have the faith we have to take different approaches to realize our beliefs. The ultimate goal is the common prosperity, but we have to let a group of people to get rich first."


Now, leaving aside that it's a huge realization for a Marxist to say anything like that, Xu isn't wrong. It's also clear that he is intelligent and that he cares about the results for his people.

And the last thing the Chinese government (even as it wants to see things get freer because it knows that will lead to greater prosperity) is a quick uncontrolled and chaotic slide into huge ethnic strife (like Chechnya or the Bosnian situation), or strife caused by increased economic disparity and poverty due to chaos, or strife caused by other more purely political divisions, that could easily result in---given just the sheer number of people---the worst, largest human disaster in history.

So here's some choices, using just the example of counterfeits: The Chinese government---instead of taking things slowly---could simply leave other priorities so they can instantly crack down in a really huge and as effective as possible way on counterfeits.

Looking at the issue in simple terms, it's obvious that just for starters, that would unemploy lots of people leaving many already poor people in even worse poverty (also causing even greater internal social friction) but which would simultaneously look to the world and their own people like the government was being even more of a police state.

What would you do if you were in control? How would you balance things, and how quickly would you do what, if you truly cared about your people? How would you get from where they are to where you'd like them to be?

And understand, we've only thought about one problem, and we've barely scratched the surface of even that problem.

Here is Xu's full bio from Wikipedia (and, Ditchdoc, it might give you an idea of the complexity of issues and getting things done even just from reading his bio). I'll emphasize a few things.

wikipedia wrote:Xu Kuangdi KmstkNO (Chinese: 徐匡迪; pinyin: Xú Kuāngdí; born December 1937 in Tongxiang, Zhejiang, China) is a Chinese politician of the ruling Communist Party. He was mayor of Shanghai from 1995 to 2001. He supervised the transformation of Shanghai during his administration into a center for international investment and trade that helped lead the intensive development of China's economy. He was demoted in 2001, to a far more obscure and powerless position as party chief of the Academy of Engineering in Beijing, apparently as the result of an intra-party power struggle between President Jiang Zemin and Premier Zhu Rongji, both former Mayors of Shanghai. Xu was replaced by Executive Vice-Mayor Chen Liangyu, one of Jiang's followers later arrested for corruption. He continues as Vice-Chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.

Xu graduated from the famous Hangzhou High School. He graduated from the Beijing Institute of Iron and Steel Engineering in 1959, during the midst of the Great Leap Forward, and was a professor there from 1959 to 1963, then at the Shanghai Institute of Engineering from 1963 to 1971, through the height of the Cultural Revolution. He did not join the Communist Party of China until 1983. He studied in Britain in 1982 and 1983 and worked in Sweden from 1984 to 1985; he also won a national award for his design of a stainless steel pipe for use in aircraft production.

He held a number of other academic positions through 1991, when Zhu appointed him as director of the Shanghai Municipal Planning Committee, allegedly because he had remarked that he hated central planning. That position led to a number of increasingly powerful positions within the municipal government of Shanghai. He was an alternate member of the 14th CPC Central Committee and member of the 15th and 16th CPC Central Committees.

Xu is currently a Vice-Chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference,[2] Party Chief and President of the Chinese Academy of Engineering. He is a professor and doctoral supervisor at Shanghai University. He retired on June 11, 2010.


(as an aside and I don't mean this as a slap at you...I think this might show that I try to bring a little more than "All (I) got is to whimper and call everyone a racist". I've spent lots of time trying my best to learn what I can about China, from as many sources as I can. That's one of the reasons I can put together this post moderately quickly.)
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

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