15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

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Post by sandoz » August 10th 2011, 4:02am

bigedsurf wrote:As i see it, after five pages of this thread, NO ones mind has been altered from their position. It isn't even about the Chinese eating dogs any longer. I guess my point is.......what is the point?? JMHO
When I go to the range I use up 5 boxes of bullets and dont kill a single dog or chinaman. The point there and here is its target practice Image
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Falstaff » August 10th 2011, 9:11am

Alrighty then, Alberta - nicely rested are you? Ready to go? I just can't seem to let a sleeping dog lie or leave a tasty one uneaten. Besides, I much prefer to engage you when your wits are sharp - before you've had your daily brainwashing (repeat - I love China, I love the Chinese, I love their watches. People who don't like China are racists and bigots, saying bad things about China is hatespeech, Slo-po is a bad, bad man, etc. etc.)

You wondered about the relevance of my skinned kitten face story in relation to the larger discussion of Chinese dog eating and their very casual attitude toward animal cruelty in general. You told me about your rabbit's foot as indicative that animal cruelty is not a merely Chinese practice. I concur.

However, rabbits are mainly raised for meat - kittens are not. Cute has nothing to do with it. And my skinned kitten face pin proudly proclaimed "Made in China". I infer from this that this kitten was born in China and slaughtered in China by a Chinese who stuffed the profits into his Chinese mouth, Chinese made mattress or Chinese owned bank. Still looking for relevance?

It is only right that the hide, hair, bones and feet (if useful) of a meat animal be utilized to the fullest. The process of slaughtering kittens (one hopes they weren't skinned alive, but in a society where simply leaving unwanted human girl babies to die of exposure was the norm does make you wonder) in order to cut their faces off so as to turn them into costume jewelry* to be retailed in the U.S. for $8 is senseless, base cruelty of the first rank. Unlike mink, kitten fur does not bring a premium on the world market. With an $8 U.S. retail, I wonder what the clever Chinese boy who thought this up was getting paid per finished face - before the broker and the wholesaler tacked on their markups - or did our entrepreneur just supply raw, bloody kitten faces to the jewelry manufacturer to tan and turn into pins. Either way, I suspect the cries of those kittens were drowned out by the merry ringing of Number One Clever Boy Jin Po Trump's cash register and the resultant assured well being of his family and revered ancestors.

I'd like to skin the living face off the Chinese filth who thought up this enterprise, wipe my ass with it and piss into whatever was left on the front of his head. I'd also smash his wristwatch for good measure. I'm a cat lover, you see. I find kitten slaughtering offensive. It's my particular ox that's being gored. Got it? Relevance.

My question is - does this make me a racist?


*My understanding is that these items are no longer permitted to be imported into the U.S.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by TickTocker » August 10th 2011, 9:29am

Falstaff wrote:I'd like to skin the living face off the Chinese filth who thought up this enterprise, wipe my ass with it and piss into whatever was left on the front of his head. I'd also smash his wristwatch for good measure. I'm a cat lover, you see. I find kitten slaughtering offensive. It's my particular ox that's being gored. Got it? Relevance.

My question is - does this make me a racist?

*My understanding is that these items are no longer permitted to be imported into the U.S.

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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 10:14am

Falstaff wrote:I find kitten slaughtering offensive. It's my particular ox that's being gored. Got it? Relevance. My question is - does this make me a racist?


No, of course not---no more than not liking rabbit's feet or shrunken heads.

It's only racist if you jump from that to some generalized hatred of folks from China, or Central & South America (or wherever he head shrinking folks were...I forget) and, well Ontarians in reference to my rabbit's foot. Or if you use it to justify a similar broad hatred.

Beause "everybody" in China, not even "most folks from there" were involved.

Cock-fighting, bull-fighting, dog-fighting...the Calgary Stampede, zoos (Free Willy)...vegetarians, Jains...everybody draws their lines regarding animal (or human: what about the WWF or boxing...some folks hate that stuff) cruelty in different places. _None_ of which ought to do with any generalized hatred of people who live in areas where those things are done.

Make that jump to broad generalizing...then yeah, it is racist (or bigoted, for those who prefer that terminology).

Edit: Just to be clear---we all have every right to argue for a change in the practices we find abhorrent. I'm no cultural relativist that says "whatever...it's just their way"...but we are all citizens of the planet just as much as we are citizens of countries.

So I do my best to keep my judgments to the people that actually do the things, and I try hard to make my groupings of people as limited as they can be while remaining accurate (and so my judgments allow the presumption of innocent to those not proven guilty), not as broad as they can be to justify my prejudices.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Hawk » August 10th 2011, 10:21am

I am not AT nor do I portray him on the internet. But there seems to be some fun prospects for discussion.


Falstaff wrote:...People who don't like China are racists and bigots, saying bad things about China is hatespeech, Slo-po is a bad, bad man, etc. etc.)

And here I thought the primary issue was whether or not publicly calling for their murder was or was not racist. Personally I'm growing more sanguine about the matter as it's evident those doing so are engaging in a bit of good natured AT, and to a lesser extent, Hawk baiting. My guiding light is rather simplistic: if you change "Chinese" to "Black" would you post it?

One poster has noted that "chink" or similar pejoratives have not been employed hence the posts aren't racist. That forces me to conclude that it would be OK to say you'd kill Africans, note that they breed like rabbits, have poor hygiene, etc provided the word "nigger" was left unsaid. I'll confess to being uncomfortable with that assertion.

Falstaff wrote:You wondered about the relevance of my skinned kitten face story in relation to the larger discussion of Chinese dog eating and their very casual attitude toward animal cruelty in general. You told me about your rabbit's foot as indicative that animal cruelty is not a merely Chinese practice. I concur.

I don't visit for a couple days and look what I've missed - the whole skinned kitten thing. I doubt you'll get anyone to condone or defend such a practice.

Falstaff wrote:However, rabbits are mainly raised for meat - kittens are not.

And here lies the crux of the "thread that wouldn't die" - a fundamental failure to understand that your culture isn't the only one in the world - dogs are raised for meat in other parts of the globe with China not even the, unh, leader of the pack, if you will.

We're all products of our culture and I'm no exception - I find the practice abhorrent and in particular the method of slaughter. However it first came to my attention regarding View Nam.

There a reason there are thesis, papers and studies on "cultural bias". The word "bias" fits.

Falstaff wrote:I'd like to skin the living face off the Chinese filth who thought up this enterprise, wipe my ass with it and piss into whatever was left on the front of his head. I'd also smash his wristwatch for good measure. I'm a cat lover, you see. I find kitten slaughtering offensive. It's my particular ox that's being gored. Got it? Relevance.

My question is - does this make me a racist?


The scale is way off - you only want to kill those responsible. A similar response in the dog context would have us only killing those actually responsible for the butchering. In the context of this forum that might be considered a restrained response.

My apologies for the excess snippage - I'm trying to take the advice to be more concise to heart.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Hawk » August 10th 2011, 10:28am

Concise post:

China Dog Rescue: Hundreds Of Animals Rescued From Slaughter By Activist Road Blockade

And this, Falstaff, is why we don't make generalizations of an entire nation. Note that the activists are actually risking jail time because of their (I'll say it) fucked up government and actually came up with 17K USD out of pocket for the rescue.

I'd further guess they would be in accord with your views on Mr. Kitten Face.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Hawk » August 10th 2011, 11:42am

Falstaff wrote:Good news indeed, however, I predict that same driver will be back next week with a new batch of freshly pre-abused animals. His price will have gone up though.
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Regrettably, I would have to be a new kind of naive to believe otherwise - buying and housing every animal bred for food isn't sustainable.

But, the number of Chinese dog or cat pet owners are increasing rapidly - a side effect of a burgeoning middle class. Chinese pet owners' attitudes toward dog for dinner roughly mirrors our own. The government is unlikely to help with legislation any time soon but the practice is being socially stigmatized.

Crappy analogy but it reminds me of smoking in the US. Legislation wasn't really needed - we got whined and nagged into near extinction. Sooner or later the government will get on board for no better reason than that it's in their self interest.
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Post by sandoz » August 10th 2011, 12:07pm

Hawk wrote:
But, the number of Chinese dog or cat pet owners are increasing rapidly - a side effect of a burgeoning middle class. Chinese pet owners' attitudes toward dog for dinner roughly mirrors our own.
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Post by DoctorIvey » August 10th 2011, 1:28pm

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koimaster wrote:Yulin, China hosted a food festival a few weeks ago, and more than 15,000 dogs ended up on the menu.

Half an hour later, they slaughtered 15K more.

Did they now??? I call bullshit. [img]

AT, you miss the point. Again. In this case the "point" was simply a callback to the old joke about Chinese food. You know the joke, and it's variants (e.g. "The problem with eating Jewish food is seven days later you're hungry again").
I don't care how many dogs the Chinese eat. I love the Chinese people. Theirs is a rich and storied culture and they've contributed much to the world. I really love the people of Cuba. I simply hate the governments of China and Cuba, which have little regard for human rights and less regard for the USA. As long as Tiananmen square is fresh in my mind I don't have to go Googling for dog feasts.
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Guy wakes up after a crazy lost weekend of revelry and notice his dong hurts when he pees, and not like any other time he simply contracted the clap. The guy goes to the doctor, who takes a sample with a swab and sends it off to the lab. The doctor calls the guy up and says "I've got some good news and I've got some bad news. The good news is, you're going to live. The bad news is that you're going to have to get an operation to remove your genitals." Good God! The man is stunned. Maybe a mistake has been made. He will get a second opinion. So the guy goes to another doctor, who fires up the Google machine, opens his PDF, comes back and breaks the same news to the man. Another doctor. Same story.
Despondent, the man finds himself wandering back to his apartment via Chinatown. He spies the window of a healer who offers alternative medicine. "What have I got to lose?" the man thinks. He enters the door to the scent of incense (and, for you AT, deep-fried poodle). Inside he meets an ancient man fingering the ends of a long white moustache. The man tells the healer, whom I shall name Dong Wu, his tale. The old man listens intently then asks the man to drop trou. He looks at the infected member and begins to cackle loudly. "What is it?" the man asks. "You no need opa-lation!" the man says. "I don't!" the man says hopefully. "Am I going to be okay?"
"You be all light!" the healer says. "Dat the prollem with Western medicine. Allays want to make money. Allays want to give the opalation."
"So I don't have to get my penis removed?" the man asks, smiling broadly.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 1:42pm

DoctorIvey wrote:
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DoctorIvey wrote:
koimaster wrote:Yulin, China hosted a food festival a few weeks ago, and more than 15,000 dogs ended up on the menu.

Half an hour later, they slaughtered 15K more.

Did they now??? I call bullshit. [img]


AT, you miss the point. Again. In this case the "point" was simply a callback to the old joke about Chinese food. You know the joke, and it's variants


Understood and accepted. Written stuff can be easily misinterpreted without facial expressions and tone (hence the use of smileys/emoticons) and it's now obvious I misunderstood.

I hope you'll accept my apology Image, and perhaps take into consideration that I was influenced by the truly mean-spirited stuff from a few others that surrounded your post.
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Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 2:05pm

eddiea wrote:Anti-China protest in Toronto...
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Yeah, do you notice all the Chinese pro-democracy folks in that photo involved in the protest?

Makes all the broad-stroke "the Chinese" this and "the Chinese" that even harder to justify doesn't it. Thanks for the photo.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by eddiea » August 10th 2011, 2:14pm

Oh you are welcome AT... my pleasure but just a bit off... The "Chinese" as you in a remarcable generalized comment, just made by the self appointed anti-racist Zar of Canada I may add, are in fact Tibetans not Chinese....
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eddiea wrote:Oh you are welcome AT... my pleasure but just a bit off... The "Chinese" as you in a remarcable generalized comment, just made by the self appointed anti-racist Zar of Canada I may add, are in fact Tibetans not Chinese....


My error.

I do know that there have been pro-democracy demonstrations attended by (edit: and organized by) Chinese people in Canada, but I can very easily understand Tibetan attendance.
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by AlbertaTime » August 10th 2011, 2:56pm

Tell me Eddie, do you still contend that your statement "motherfuckers multiply in a way that puts rabbits to shame" isn't just plain racist?

Or are mine the only errors that interest you here?
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Re: 15,000 Dogs Slaughtered for Chinese Food Festival

Post by Guest » August 10th 2011, 3:01pm

Time for some Chinese jokes.

Why would the world have been a better place if Adam And Eve had been Chinese?
Because they would have eaten the snake instead of the apple!

Have you heard about the new Chinese cookbook?
100 ways to wok your dog!

What do you do if you see a chinaman drowning?
Throw his wife and his kids in!

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