Watchlords

Alright, alright.... the video probably was not fair. You do seem knowledgable about watches, at least of a certian origin.

Your constant, non-stop pushing of your chinese agenda is just a pain in the ass. Since you've showed up at this forum, I've seen more "look WTF China's doing now" threads than ever. Members would likely quit bashing if you would quit giving fodder after EVERY post.

Do you really believe your helping your cause?

Ditchdoc wrote:In all your defending of China, I have yet to hear you give a redeeming quality. You simply back pedal, make excuses or pick and choose to what you respond.

I'm not trying to give you an ethics lesson but you are in desperate need of deprogramming.

I'm not the one treating Chinese people (or even their government) as some sort of stereotypical lumpen so don't bother prattling to me about deprogramming.

And I have brought up redeeming qualities---I mentioned some of the following stuff in the post about the Shanghai watches, for example:

I've been treated, without exception, well and honestly by everyone I have dealt with in China and have been fortunate, over time and many transactions, to have some of these business relationships turn into very nice friendships as well...and these friends are the reason I'm visiting in October. Some of these folks are, for example, independent sellers with small Taobao shops, some are representatives of companies like Shanghai or Sea-Gull, and some provide middleman services for Taobao purchases. Some are just hobbyists with a love of watches, like you and me.

Further, the excellent treatment I have received, and the friendships I've developed, are the reason I object so strongly when people make grand sweeping, indiscriminate statements about "the Chinese" (just as I would if similar statements were made about "the blacks" or "the Germans"). I know for a fact that such sweeping statements are just overly broad, mean-spirited, small minded bullshit.

I can also remember when Soviet folks were demonized in much the same manner as the Chinese today, as if everyone in their government was a heartless, oppressive thug and all their citizens almost mindless commie proles. The mere existence of a Gorbachev should have disabused people of that kind of simplistic thinking.

Similarly, while accepting that there is much wrong with the Chinese government, I also know from many conversations with people in China and Chinese people living near to me that there are also many good people involved in government, doing what they can---and sometimes from positions of power---(and sometimes in very complicated circumstances) to improve things.

I can also remember when the Japanese were similarly demonized, then---when not demonized---merely accused of being shoddy, thieving copycats. Today, in my own country, I see how many simple minded people still react to First Nations (native) people, or immigrants from around the world (Chinese, yes, but not just from China). And I can remember how---as Bigjimzlll eloquently showed today, how things were for black people were often treated, by citizens and the government---in the United States not that long ago (and that stuff is still far from perfect now).

So, and in any case, I've never stood silent for that kind of nasty and narrow-minded foolishness, no matter who was the target, and no matter who was doing the stereotyping. And I won't be silent when I see it happening here.

Y'know, I might take you more seriously if even once I had seen you pointedly criticize an unapologetically racist statement (or poster) as directly as you have me...but I haven't seen that at all. Not once.

I don't exactly understand why my making mention of the blatant racism here upsets you so much more than the racism itself ---but that ought to reflect on you worse than it does on me, so I guess I can live without your approval if that's the way it has to be.

No comments on this one, not pretty I should warn.
http://www.chinasucks.org/cat.htm

Once again you attempt to turn this racial when its about actions and practices that are being critisised. I challenge you to find one negative statement I've made about the Chinese that wasn't intimately tied to an unethical practice.

For your info, I have called people out for blatent racial remarks here before. You can search as good as I can so you do the work.

I critisize China because no country has ever put forth a greater organized effort at corperate sabotage and devaluation than China. I will continue to do so until they take ownership of these crimes and make a REAL effort to fix them.

I'm glad you've met many friends in China and somehow maraculously happen to get honest service and good businness practitioners (although I am heavily skeptical of your claims). Maybe when you're there in October, you can tell them to take it easy on the corperate crimes.

You are very tiresome and I admit, I'm way past done with you and your red flag waving bullshit so you're smart not to hold your breath waiting on any approval.

You're a narrow minded brain washed troll with an agenda plain and simple. Hell you've never even seen or experienced what you so viamately defend. Doesn't sound too smart to me.

AlbertaTime wrote:Unrelenting and tiring CHINA BASHING bullshit is more like it. Like I've said before, I **never** start this stuff, I just react to it. And find me anywhere in this thread where I did any "supporting"...all I did was correct other people's bullshit.

So, anyways...here we have a totally uncorroborated story that more and more looks like it 100% simply didn't happen at all...not one of you can come up with any independent verification, the story is just a piece of Internet drivel that went viral, and yet some of you folks still insist *I'm* the one that's out of line.

And only one of you had the integrity to even back off a tiny bit and reconsider your position...

Oh well, maybe there's no proof the Yulin dog eating festival ever happened---but here's some stuff I can prove:

Chanse503: "Yeah, thats some messed up sht right there...China is wack!"

Bigjimzlll: "Fuckin Chinese CockSuckers...Woo"

SlowPo: "I just got a new signature: Fuck China" and "Even if you kill 15,000 Chinese a day is goin to take a lifetime to finish them up. I say 500,000 a day. "

OTMF: "The Chinese eat human babies too."

EddieA: "the motherfuckers multiply in a way that put rabbits to shame"

Fucking pathetic.

...and there's Internet all over the place in China. So that's just another thing you're wrong about.

Kahuna74 wrote:I thought it was Bull-shit when I first read it. Most of what slow-po has to say about China is just Bull-shit. T

In fairness, SlowPo didn't bring this story...he just blindly jumped on the bandwagon.

Judging from your aggrieved tone, I take it, Alberta, that you object to "China bashing" - that you think it is wrong and indicative of racism and bigotry - that you'd prefer it stopped - that Slo-po is a bad man - that dog eating festivals are fictional? I say - so what?

I am really quite surprised that you haven't advanced the argument that we here in the West are merely getting a long overdue payback for our well documented colonial exploitation of China - that we are simply getting what we deserve and paying the price of "sowing the wind." After all, when the gunboats of the "Great Powers" dropped anchor and demanded exclusive ports and favorable trade status (means that they took what they wanted and forced the Chinese to take whatever was offered in exchange) at threat of bombardment and invasion, how was the senile dowager Empress or the laughable shambles of the government of the "Heavenly Kingdom" to deny them (although the Germans did teach the Chinese to brew excellent beer in Tsingtao)?

When the British enslaved millions to addiction with the opium trade, the most resistance the Chinese could ultimately offer were the pitiable "Boxers" - the so called "yellow peril" that so inflamed the Western world with their head chopping atrocities. Who were they to stand against the massed fleets and expeditionary forces of Europe? Krupp, Vickers and Schneider Creusot had an exhausting but pleasant and rewarding field day blasting the "heathen Chinee" into bloody bits so that a Chinese would never again dare to raise his eyes to a white man, in addition to the tens of millions in indemnities the Chinese were compelled to pay for forcing us to put our boots on their necks and put down the rebellion.

When tens of thousands of Chinese coolies came to the United States (and Canada) as "contract" laborers on the great railroads that knit this continent together, who objected when they were brutally treated as slaves and disposable beasts of burden? No one. "As cheap as the life of a Chinaman" was a common phrase of the day and cheerfully demonstrated at the flip of a pigtail.

Maybe we are just getting our long overdue comeuppance, eh? Makes for a compelling argument, doesn't it? "The tide has turned", "What's sauce for the goose....", if you will - or "turnabout is fair play"? Nonetheless, Alberta, you are missing a compelling line of argument if you pass this one up.

As to dog eating and Chinese animal cruelty, let me relate a little story of my own. In 1988, a dear friend of ours, knowing that we were cat owners, presented my wife with a decorative pin for a sweater or coat that looked exactly like the face our calico, Baby Tasha, when she was a kitten. It had soft silky fur, perfect markings, whiskers, the little tufts of hair at the top of the ears - in short, it looked remarkably like a real kitten's face. Our friend told us the shop where she purchased it had "all kinds" of kitten face pins like this one - black, white, striped and so on. We thought it was so cute!

I found out that the reason that it looked that way was because it was a real kitten's face. When the felt backing with the pin on it happened to peel off sometime later (still had the "Made in China" sticker on it) , I found a foam "kitten face" form with the complete face of the kitten glued to it. No wonder it looked so real. It had been skinned off the kitten in one piece, tanned and treated to retain its fur and mounted on a plastic form to give it its natural shape, given glass eyes, felt backing, a pin and retailed for (I found out later) $8 at a local boutique gift shop.

I quietly hid it away and told my wife that I couldn't fix it and had thrown it out. I spoke to the owner of the gift shop was and showed her what she had sold our friend. She ran for the rest room in the rear of the shop and vomited. She was clearly horrified and said she had no idea that they were real, that she had ordered them at a trade show, that no one ever disclosed the "process" and that she intended to destroy what stock she had of them. She did and said she had spoken to other shop owners as well.

You have to wonder what clever boy in Guangdong figured out that killing kittens (you hope at least they were dead before they were skinned - but given the historically casual Chinese approach to animal cruelty, I wonder) and cutting off their faces to make costume jewelry was a good, honorable and profitable business to get into. I hope he fries in Hell. I wouldn't take any number of your "honestly made by Chinese folk of integrity and humanity" watches for the suffering of that calico kitten. I still have the pin to remind me of the cruelty we are capable of for the sake of a buck. Note that I said "we", Alberta - because the Chinese are as human as you or I or Cruella DeVil and her dalmation purse and slippers - but the skinned kitten face ornament that I have - came from China.

As to China in general, I find it impossible to be tolerant of a nation that flouts international law with the utter disdain of the Chinese. They practice wholesale theft of patents and intellectual property, unchecked counterfeiting of consumer goods, manipulation of currency and financial instruments, complete disregard for the environment, an entrenched policy of political and social repression and the waging of ceaseless cyber attacks on the data, defense and information systems of foreign governments, institutions and businesses. All of it either secretly encouraged or openly espoused at the highest levels of the Chinese government. When confronted, that government offers its blandly smiling, inscrutable face and says, "so sorry, we don't do that" or "we have laws against that" or "it is difficult to control". Meanwhile, the cash just keeps flowing into the Central Bank of China - international cash, your cash, Alberta, from the purchase of the watches you hold so dear.

So keep on defending China, Alberta - righteously pointing out bigots and excoriating racists, fearlessly righting the calumnies heaped on an innocent and honorable people so that when the next "Great Leap Forward" ends up in your front yard, perhaps your grateful masters will reward your loyalty with the dog burger or kitten face franchise for the entire formerly Canadian province of Alberta - now auspiciously named "New Tientsien". You will certainly gave earned it.

Ditchdoc wrote: Since you've showed up at this forum, I've seen more "look WTF China's doing now" threads than ever. Members would likely quit bashing if you would quit giving fodder after EVERY post.

I've started exactly two threads since I joined here, one about some affordable Shanghai watches and one about a vintage Zhufeng. Like I've said---repeatedly---it's not me starting this stuff. Ever.

Look, the stoopid small-minded China bashing was happening here before I ever got here---and you know it. The only difference now is that the dumb-fuck racist feebs that are doing it are getting called on it.

I'll stop when they stop...it's as simple as that.

As usual, damn good, well thought out post Falstaff.

@AT. You're wrong. I've been here quiet a while and there were not near as many "fuck china" threads before you showed up. Members start these type of threads to get a rise out of you and you fall for it everytime.

AlbertaTime wrote:

Ditchdoc wrote: Since you've showed up at this forum, I've seen more "look WTF China's doing now" threads than ever. Members would likely quit bashing if you would quit giving fodder after EVERY post.

I've started exactly two threads since I joined here, one about some affordable Shanghai watches and one about a vintage Zhufeng. Like I've said---repeatedly---it's not me starting this stuff. Ever.

Look, the stoopid small-minded China bashing was happening here before I ever got here---and you know it. The only difference now is that the dumb-fuck racist feebs that are doing it are getting called on it.

I'll stop when they stop...it's as simple as that.

Actually, I don't think anyone particularly cares whether you start, stop, or stand on your head while whistling Bowie's "China Girl". Call out the racists or not. Defend China or not. You have about as much effect as the buzzing of a fly - annoying, but trivial - and as we all know "Aquila non captat muscas". Once the amusement of watching you flail away at each new, imagined slight to Chinese interests palls, it becomes rather tedious. Do go ahead, though - this is an open forum. I'm sure there are some here who have not yet heard the only song you know how to sing.

Ditchdoc wrote:Alright, alright.... the video probably was not fair. You do seem knowledgable about watches, at least of a certian origin.
Your constant, non-stop pushing of your chinese agenda is just a pain in the ass. Since you've showed up at this forum, I've seen more "look WTF China's doing now" threads than ever. Members would likely quit bashing if you would quit giving fodder after EVERY post.
Do you really believe your helping your cause?

Is either that he firmly believe is helping "the cause" like every other member of the world wide Communist Bowel Movement.... or he has been promised a lucrative turn around on his worthless pieces of shit, selling the Chinese agenda on the side , a tool.

Falstaff wrote:Judging from your aggrieved tone, I take it, Alberta, that you object to "China bashing" - that you think it is wrong and indicative of racism and bigotry

Only when it is wrong-headed and too broadly applied. Which is, when it is, *is* racist/bigoted.

I am really quite surprised that you haven't advanced the argument that we here in the West are merely getting a long overdue payback for our well documented colonial exploitation of China...Makes for a compelling argument, doesn't it? "The tide has turned", "What's sauce for the goose....", if you will - or "turnabout is fair play"? Nonetheless, Alberta, you are missing a compelling line of argument if you pass this one up.

I don't bother because it's not an argument I'd advance. That was then, this is now, and none of that is how I feel.

As to dog eating and Chinese animal cruelty, let me relate a little story of my own. In 1988, a dear friend of ours, knowing that we were cat owners, presented my wife with a decorative pin for a sweater or coat that looked exactly like the face our calico, Baby Tasha, when she was a kitten. ...it was a real kitten's face...

You have to wonder what clever boy in Guangdong figured out that killing kittens (you hope at least they were dead before they were skinned - but given the historically casual Chinese approach to animal cruelty, I wonder) and cutting off their faces to make costume jewelry was a good, honorable and profitable business to get into. I hope he fries in Hell. I wouldn't take any number of your "honestly made by Chinese folk of integrity and humanity" watches for the suffering of that calico kitten. I still have the pin to remind me of the cruelty we are capable of for the sake of a buck. Note that I said "we", Alberta - because the Chinese are as human as you or I or Cruella DeVil and her dalmation purse and slippers - but the skinned kitten face ornament that I have - came from China.

I think the rabbit's foot I had came from Japan...but it could have come from Ontario. Rabbits are cute, too. The fact that people can be needlessly cruel is, as you allow, a widely held attribute, so in that sense the fact your kitty face came from China is irrelevant, isn't it. So what *was* your point with that story?

As to China in general, I find it impossible to be tolerant of a nation that flouts international law with the utter disdain of the Chinese. They practice wholesale theft of patents and intellectual property, unchecked counterfeiting of consumer goods, manipulation of currency and financial instruments, complete disregard for the environment, an entrenched policy of political and social repression and the waging of ceaseless cyber attacks on the data, defense and information systems of foreign governments, institutions and businesses. All of it either secretly encouraged or openly espoused at the highest levels of the Chinese government.

...and much of it reminiscent of historic Soviet policy pre WWII and during the Cold War and equally recent American policy in parts of Central America and the Middle East as well. (Much of that was wrong, too---but it doesn't---and didn't---ever justify wholesale hatred or condemnation of the citizens of those countries, or of the country as a whole. Same with China and the Chinese).

Falstaff wrote:When confronted, that government offers its blandly smiling, inscrutable face and says, "so sorry, we don't do that" or "we have laws against that" or "it is difficult to control". Meanwhile, the cash just keeps flowing into the Central Bank of China - international cash, your cash, Alberta, from the purchase of the watches you hold so dear.

That was the same bullshit used to impoverish the black citizens when South Africa was a pariah nation, and when folks said not to buy Soviet products for *exactly* the same reasons...except that it was at least equally true that every dollar in the hands of a South African black or a Soviet citizen was a dollar's _less_ control that government had over the individual that held it. Not to mention that steady contact and trade was a primary factor in the cultural and political liberalization of citizens in both South Africa and the USSR. For only two examples.

Falstaff wrote:So keep on defending China, Alberta - righteously pointing out bigots and excoriating racists, fearlessly righting the calumnies heaped on an innocent and honorable people so that when the next "Great Leap Forward" ends up in your front yard, perhaps your grateful masters will reward your loyalty with the dog burger or kitten face franchise for the entire formerly Canadian province of Alberta - now auspiciously named "New Tientsien". You will certainly gave earned it.

Is this the new McCarthyism, Falstaff? Accusations of cultural or national "disloyalty" because I have friends in China?

In any case, I will keep on defending my friends, I will keep on pointing out bigots and excoriating racists, all the while you keep on making pathetic self-serving excuses for them while you simultaneously let their racism/bigotry just slide.

After all, I notice you haven't _once_ made an effort to criticize _that_ stuff here.

Ahh yes...the old "other countries have done similar in the past" justification to excuse China's crimes and lack of any ethics.

That's weak AT but what I expected.

Ditchdoc wrote:Ahh yes...the old "other countries have done similar in the past" justification to excuse China's crimes and lack of any ethics. That's weak AT but what I expected.

Not what I said.

I said that stuff was wrong but "it doesn't---and didn't---ever justify **wholesale** hatred or condemnation of the citizens of those countries, or of the country as a whole. Same with China and the Chinese".

Words mean things. I didn't "excuse" anything.

Falstaff wrote:Do go ahead, though - this is an open forum.

Ditchdoc wrote:I appreciate your permission to continue to post. Do you fancy yourself a self appointed mod?

Ditchdoc wrote:Alright, alright.... the video probably was not fair. You do seem knowledgable about watches, at least of a certain origin.

Appreciated. You too.

...Onward.

AlbertaTime wrote:

Falstaff wrote:Judging from your aggrieved tone, I take it, Alberta, that you object to "China bashing" - that you think it is wrong and indicative of racism and bigotry

Only when it is wrong-headed and too broadly applied. Which is, when it is, *is* racist/bigoted.

I am really quite surprised that you haven't advanced the argument that we here in the West are merely getting a long overdue payback for our well documented colonial exploitation of China...Makes for a compelling argument, doesn't it? "The tide has turned", "What's sauce for the goose....", if you will - or "turnabout is fair play"? Nonetheless, Alberta, you are missing a compelling line of argument if you pass this one up.

I don't bother because it's not an argument I'd advance. That was then, this is now, and none of that is how I feel.

As to dog eating and Chinese animal cruelty, let me relate a little story of my own. In 1988, a dear friend of ours, knowing that we were cat owners, presented my wife with a decorative pin for a sweater or coat that looked exactly like the face our calico, Baby Tasha, when she was a kitten. ...it was a real kitten's face...

You have to wonder what clever boy in Guangdong figured out that killing kittens (you hope at least they were dead before they were skinned - but given the historically casual Chinese approach to animal cruelty, I wonder) and cutting off their faces to make costume jewelry was a good, honorable and profitable business to get into. I hope he fries in Hell. I wouldn't take any number of your "honestly made by Chinese folk of integrity and humanity" watches for the suffering of that calico kitten. I still have the pin to remind me of the cruelty we are capable of for the sake of a buck. Note that I said "we", Alberta - because the Chinese are as human as you or I or Cruella DeVil and her dalmation purse and slippers - but the skinned kitten face ornament that I have - came from China.

I think the rabbit's foot I had came from Japan...but it could have come from Ontario. Rabbits are cute, too. The fact that people can be needlessly cruel is, as you allow, a widely held attribute, so in that sense the fact your kitty face came from China is irrelevant, isn't it. So what *was* your point with that story?

As to China in general, I find it impossible to be tolerant of a nation that flouts international law with the utter disdain of the Chinese. They practice wholesale theft of patents and intellectual property, unchecked counterfeiting of consumer goods, manipulation of currency and financial instruments, complete disregard for the environment, an entrenched policy of political and social repression and the waging of ceaseless cyber attacks on the data, defense and information systems of foreign governments, institutions and businesses. All of it either secretly encouraged or openly espoused at the highest levels of the Chinese government.

...and much of it reminiscent of historic Soviet policy pre WWII and during the Cold War and equally recent American policy in parts of Central America and the Middle East as well. (Much of that was wrong, too---but it doesn't---and didn't---ever justify wholesale hatred or condemnation of the citizens of those countries, or of the country as a whole. Same with China and the Chinese).

Falstaff wrote:When confronted, that government offers its blandly smiling, inscrutable face and says, "so sorry, we don't do that" or "we have laws against that" or "it is difficult to control". Meanwhile, the cash just keeps flowing into the Central Bank of China - international cash, your cash, Alberta, from the purchase of the watches you hold so dear.

That was the same bullshit used to impoverish the black citizens when South Africa was a pariah nation, and when folks said not to buy Soviet products for *exactly* the same reasons...except that it was at least equally true that every dollar in the hands of a South African black or a Soviet citizen was a dollar's _less_ control that government had over the individual that held it. Not to mention that steady contact and trade was a primary factor in the cultural and political liberalization of citizens in both South Africa and the USSR. For only two examples.

Falstaff wrote:So keep on defending China, Alberta - righteously pointing out bigots and excoriating racists, fearlessly righting the calumnies heaped on an innocent and honorable people so that when the next "Great Leap Forward" ends up in your front yard, perhaps your grateful masters will reward your loyalty with the dog burger or kitten face franchise for the entire formerly Canadian province of Alberta - now auspiciously named "New Tientsien". You will certainly gave earned it.

Is this the new McCarthyism, Falstaff? Accusations of cultural or national "disloyalty" because I have friends in China?

In any case, I will keep on defending my friends, I will keep on pointing out bigots and excoriating racists, all the while you keep on making pathetic self-serving excuses for them while you simultaneously let their racism/bigotry just slide.

After all, I notice you haven't _once_ made an effort to criticize _that_ stuff here.

No, I (yawn) haven't. How 'bout that? Wow. Does that make me a racist too? By simple association, or by failure to condemn when directed to? Class 1 racist or simple bigot? If you imagine it does make me a racist - so what? Turning my name in are you? Finger shaming me? Do I get the big scarlet "R" or the little pink "b"? Well, what's it going to be, sport?

McCarthyism, Alberta? Let's quote you - "I notice you haven't once made an effort to criticize that stuff here." Gosh, guess that pretty much tars me with the same brush, doesn't it? Let's see here if I remember the litany of loyalty, "I am not now, nor ever have been...." Is that what you'd like to hear, Senator? Given that China is clearly bent on world domination, I think that ultimately one will have to make a decision.

Regrettably, Alberta, much as you'd like to, you don't get to set my agenda or tell me the rules by which I'll play. You just don't have the requisite force of will - the very definition of impotence - powerlessness. You have your hands full enough just trying to excuse the latest Chinese outrage, whatever it may turn out to be. There's a fresh bucket of whitewash right over there. Keep up the good work.

Falstaff wrote: No, I (yawn) haven't. How 'bout that? Wow. Does that make me a racist too? By simple association, or by failure to condemn when directed to? Class 1 racist or simple bigot? If you imagine it does make me a racist - so what? Turning my name in are you? Finger shaming me? Do I get the big scarlet "R" or the little pink "b"? Well, what's it going to be, sport?

McCarthyism, Alberta? Let's quote you - "I notice you haven't once made an effort to criticize that stuff here." Gosh, guess that pretty much tars me with the same brush, doesn't it? Let's see here if I remember the litany of loyalty, "I am not now, nor ever have been...." Is that what you'd like to hear, Senator? Given that China is clearly bent on world domination, I think that ultimately one will have to make a decision.

Regrettably, Alberta, much as you'd like to, you don't get to set my agenda or tell me the rules by which I'll play. You just don't have the requisite force of will - the very definition of impotence - powerlessness. You have your hands full enough just trying to excuse the latest Chinese outrage, whatever it may turn out to be. There's a fresh bucket of whitewash right over there. Keep up the good work.

Falstaff shoots, scores, whoa, that's the game winner...and at the buzzer.

The thread that won't die. AT stop beating a dead horse.

TemerityB wrote:

Falstaff wrote: No, I (yawn) haven't. How 'bout that? Wow. Does that make me a racist too? By simple association, or by failure to condemn when directed to? Class 1 racist or simple bigot? If you imagine it does make me a racist - so what? Turning my name in are you? Finger shaming me? Do I get the big scarlet "R" or the little pink "b"? Well, what's it going to be, sport?

McCarthyism, Alberta? Let's quote you - "I notice you haven't once made an effort to criticize that stuff here." Gosh, guess that pretty much tars me with the same brush, doesn't it? Let's see here if I remember the litany of loyalty, "I am not now, nor ever have been...." Is that what you'd like to hear, Senator? Given that China is clearly bent on world domination, I think that ultimately one will have to make a decision.

Regrettably, Alberta, much as you'd like to, you don't get to set my agenda or tell me the rules by which I'll play. You just don't have the requisite force of will - the very definition of impotence - powerlessness. You have your hands full enough just trying to excuse the latest Chinese outrage, whatever it may turn out to be. There's a fresh bucket of whitewash right over there. Keep up the good work.

Falstaff shoots, scores, whoa, that's the game winner...and at the buzzer.

No, no, NO! Dear God, please - no. I've seen that future - it's horrible ...dates the homecoming queen, gets her drunk and knocks her up. Loses his b-ball scholarship to Notre Dame because of back to back DUIs. Has six kids, homecoming queen now weighs 450lbs, lives in a singlewide (with a shed) down by the river (no running water or sanitary arrangements), pumps gas down at the Kwikee Mart, has several fine teeth and collects the Invicters he sees on his 86 in. Mitsubishi HD 3-D flat screen with satellite hook-up. Beautiful, beautiful Invicters.

Falstaff wrote:

No, no, NO! Dear God, please - no. I've seen that future - it's horrible ...dates the homecoming queen, gets her drunk and knocks her up. Loses his b-ball scholarship to Notre Dame because of back to back DUIs. Has six kids, homecoming queen now weighs 450lbs, lives in a singlewide (with a shed) down by the river (no running water or sanitary arrangements), pumps gas down at the Kwikee Mart, has several fine teeth and collects the Invicters he sees on his 86 in. Mitsubishi HD 3-D flat screen with satellite hook-up. Beautiful, beautiful Invicters.

Falstaff wrote:No, I (yawn) haven't. How 'bout that? Wow. Does that make me a racist too? By simple association, or by failure to condemn when directed to? Class 1 racist or simple bigot?

Nope. Just kinda ethically crippled if my pointing out the racism and bigotry bugs you more than the racism and bigotry itself.

Falstaff wrote:McCarthyism, Alberta? Let's quote you - "I notice you haven't once made an effort to criticize that stuff here." Gosh, guess that pretty much tars me with the same brush, doesn't it?

Nope...it's just like I already said: "kinda ethically crippled if my pointing out the racism and bigotry bugs you more than the racism and bigotry itself."

Falstaff wrote:Regrettably, Alberta, much as you'd like to, you don't get to set my agenda or tell me the rules by which I'll play.

I'm not trying to set out your agenda or tell you the rules by which you'll play.

I just point out your agenda and the rules by which you do play. As I said, you're happy to criticize me, but when it comes to racists and bigots, all you do is "keep on making pathetic self-serving excuses for them while you simultaneously let their racism/bigotry just slide."

Falstaff wrote:No, no, NO! Dear God, please - no. I've seen that future - it's horrible ...dates the homecoming queen, gets her drunk and knocks her up. Loses his b-ball scholarship to Notre Dame because of back to back DUIs. Has six kids, homecoming queen now weighs 450lbs, lives in a singlewide (with a shed) down by the river (no running water or sanitary arrangements), pumps gas down at the Kwikee Mart, has several fine teeth and collects the Invicters he sees on his 86 in. Mitsubishi HD 3-D flat screen with satellite hook-up. Beautiful, beautiful Invicters.

We have our differences but I'd never wish that on you. :-)

AlbertaTime wrote:
I just point out your agenda and the rules by which you do play. As I said, you're happy to criticize me, but when it comes to racists and bigots, all you do is "keep on making pathetic self-serving excuses for them while you simultaneously let their racism/bigotry just slide."

Your compounding the situation. They have the right to say what they want as do you.They might be bigots or racist in your your opinion but I have looked over the thread again is they are having fun and are trying to get a rise out of you.You took the bait hook line and sinker.Think of it this way if you dont like what is said skim pass it .Why have a heart attack over something like a forum on watches ?

oceanaut wrote:they are having fun and are trying to get a rise out of you.You took the bait hook line and sinker.Think of it this way if you dont like what is said skim pass it .Why have a heart attack over something like a forum on watches ?

Yeah, sure, I should look at it that way. Blatant racism and bigotry is just...you know...harmless fun. Sorta like bullies picking on some kid to get a reaction; it's really the kid's fault for getting so upset. No need to say anything or put a stop to it.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

You are a hot mess AT. Pathetic.
Have you ever noticed that no one here posts stuff like.... I sure hate those fuckers slanty little eyes, their tiny little cocks, their short stature, their flat butts, their sticking straight the fuck up pubic hair, the way they drive, etc?
Most if not all disparaging comments are directed at the business, social practice, ethics, and government. Don't believe that is "racist" at all.
For the record, I love Japanese chick pubic hair. WAAY sexier than those Flat faced Chinese bitches!

Aqua Homer wrote:Have you ever noticed that no one here posts stuff like.... I sure hate those fuckers slanty little eyes, their tiny little cocks, their short stature, their flat butts, their sticking straight the fuck up pubic hair, the way they drive, etc?
Most if not all disparaging comments are directed at the business, social practice, ethics, and government. Don't believe that is "racist" at all!

No one?

This bullshit is "directed at the business, social practice, ethics, and government"????

SlowPo: "I just got a new signature: Fuck China" and "Even if you kill 15,000 Chinese a day is goin to take a lifetime to finish them up. I say 500,000 a day. "

OTMF: "The Chinese eat human babies too."

Even you, AH, gotta realize that's straight up, fucked up, 100% pure fuckhead bigot bullshit.

But you're such a brave "fight for what's right" guy you criticize me...but not them. That's just plain lame.