Watchlords

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 23rd 2023, 10:05am

jason_recliner wrote: ↑

October 19th 2023, 3:49pm

It was easy to find in Hanoi when I was there but that was a long time ago. I wouldn't go looking for it, but might try it if it happened to be on the menu somewhere, out of curiosity. Unfortunately it almost certainly is not ethically farmed - Asians generally don't care about animals. For that reason (and still some queasiness) not sure I'd want to support the industry by ordering some.

I remain optimistic that we'll meet up one day for some pints even if Alex Jones delays resolution on wagers interminably.

If that happens I would strongly suggest you keep the highlighted portion between us should my wife be in attendance. She still supports a dog rescue in Sukhothai and her sister rescues a more limited quantity in Nakhon Si Thammarat. In fact I can't think of a single Asian that I'm acquainted with that wouldn't bristle when hearing that. And most of the Asians of my acquaintance are in, well, Asia. It's not like they picked it up from Yankee, Canadian or Ozian culture.

It'd probably be unfair to base a stereotype, in the case of us Yanks, on Qyntel Woods and / or Michael Vicks. Apocryphal tales notwithstanding most well-adjusted humans revile animal cruelty. Food sourcing is one thing, torture is quite another.

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 10:37am

And here I thought your ex-wife was Australian.

Oddly enough the southern Thai monkeys are treated much like pets bordering on family members. Something that PETA continues to get wrong despite years of evidence to the contrary. And it's not just PETA - we've got an entire outrage ecosystem built around coconut harvesting. Around here the best place to get free range chickens remains the Asian supermarkets.

Live lobsters suggesting cruelty would not have occurred to me - perhaps because it's common practice in America. Regional differences perhaps? We wouldn't want to shut down an entire portion of the Maine economy. Also, if you've ever eaten raw oysters they were alive - a fact that greatly chagrined a co-worker. We really don't think about dropping a live lobster into boiling water much over here - wonder why that is?

Nevertheless, the advice remains: stating that Asians don't care about animals generally in front of my wife risks us both eating our dinner through a straw.

Or maybe Australians care *more* than typical westerners? The revelation on the live lobsters might be cause for some deliberation on that possibility.

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:19pm

It’s common in Maine including small roadside stands. But it’s reasonably common across the entire US. Seafood restaurants routinely keep an aquarium type thing where customers can pick out their particular lobster.

And of course they’re dumped into boiling water. I can’t imagine that the customers have any delusions about their crustacean being gently euthanized. But, subject to correction by the other lords, I doubt anyone gives it a second thought.

It hadn’t actually been my intention to find an example of regional differences but I do find it fascinating. Both that we take it for granted while you include it as animal torture.

Nevertheless, one thing for damn certain, the practice isn’t associated with any ethnic group here. It’s basically all of us.

jason_recliner wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:45pm

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:19pm

It’s common in Maine including small roadside stands. But it’s reasonably common across the entire US. Seafood restaurants routinely keep an aquarium type thing where customers can pick out their particular lobster.

And of course they’re dumped into boiling water. I can’t imagine that the customers have any delusions about their crustacean being gently euthanized. But, subject to correction by the other lords, I doubt anyone gives it a second thought.

It hadn’t actually been my intention to find an example of regional differences but I do find it fascinating. Both that we take it for granted while you include it as animal torture.

Nevertheless, one thing for damn certain, the practice isn’t associated with any ethnic group here. It’s basically all of us.

I am referring to the process of butchering and eating a lobster while it is alive. Slitting down the inside of the carapce and cutting spasming chuncks of flesh from it and eating the spasming flesh, in a way that prolongs the life of the lobster so as much of the flesh can be removed while it is still alive. Sounds like you're refering to cooking lobsters - we do that! (they are usually frozen first, then thawed, but cooking a live lobster occurs where people have them fresh from the water, sure)

smellody wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:55pm

jason_recliner wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:45pm

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:19pm

It’s common in Maine including small roadside stands. But it’s reasonably common across the entire US. Seafood restaurants routinely keep an aquarium type thing where customers can pick out their particular lobster.

And of course they’re dumped into boiling water. I can’t imagine that the customers have any delusions about their crustacean being gently euthanized. But, subject to correction by the other lords, I doubt anyone gives it a second thought.

It hadn’t actually been my intention to find an example of regional differences but I do find it fascinating. Both that we take it for granted while you include it as animal torture.

Nevertheless, one thing for damn certain, the practice isn’t associated with any ethnic group here. It’s basically all of us.

I am referring to the process of butchering and eating a lobster while it is alive. Slitting down the inside of the carapce and cutting spasming chuncks of flesh from it and eating the spasming flesh, in a way that prolongs the life of the lobster so as much of the flesh can be removed while it is still alive. Sounds like you're refering to cooking lobsters - we do that! (they are usually frozen first, then thawed, but cooking a live lobster occurs where people have them fresh from the water, sure)

I've regularly participated in ritual live lobster boiling many times while in Maine.

Torturing dawgs then eating them, NO WAY. I would go cannibal on any creep I saw doing that.

I don't see mushrooms and lobsters (essentially large water scorpions) are not on the same evolutionary level as I see it.

A bolt to the brain of a cow or the execution of the anus of a sheep is one time instantaneous torture. Luckily, it is delicious.

I'm not going to comment on raising canine as protein and ethically slaughtering them.

I remember going away to change management training by Prosci in Colorado. There were lots of Hal Burton employees there, but the most interesting other "student" was a Canadian working in local government who had been pied piper that led sheep through processing. He did that by calling them and they would follow him to slaughter.

jason_recliner wrote: ↑

October 24th 2023, 6:45pm

I am referring to the process of butchering and eating a lobster while it is alive. Slitting down the inside of the carapace and cutting spasming chunks of flesh from it and eating the spasming flesh, in a way that prolongs the life of the lobster so as much of the flesh can be removed as possible while it is still alive. Sounds like you're referring to cooking lobsters - we do that! (they are usually frozen first, then thawed, but cooking a live lobster occurs where people have them fresh from the water, sure)

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 25th 2023, 3:28am

If one is to be concerned about suffering I find it difficult to reconcile criticizing others after visiting a North Carolina pig farm.

conjurer wrote: ↑

October 25th 2023, 7:31am

Hawk wrote: ↑

October 25th 2023, 3:28am

If one is to be concerned about suffering I find it difficult to reconcile criticizing others after visiting a North Carolina pig farm.

Interestingly, this is not on my bucket list.