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Post by 3Flushes » March 8th 2022, 4:18am

iwasbanned wrote:
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Did Rolex make the first ever three register chronographs in the 3-6-9 configuration?

That's not the point.
You ate correct, it's not the point because neither Omega or Rolex was the first. However-----------

The first Speedmaster, ref 2915 (1957) had many firsts, including the arrow tipped hour hand and sword style minute hand, clean, legible dial, and a tach scale engraved on the bezel. These "pre-moon" Speedmasters (whiich sold like hotcakes) pre-dated the Cosmograph, (later nicknamed the Daytona) ref 6238 (1965) by 7 1/2 years. The ref 6239 (1967) incorporated much of the design language of the Speedmaster as it evolved from the Oyster Chronograph, ref 6234 (1955) and the 'pre-Daytona' Cosmograph ref 6238 (1965-1967).

The Rolex 6234 and 6238 with registers at 3-6-9, included tach and various other scales during their production that were incorporated into chapter rings on the dial making for difficult legibility.

The sales of the 6234 and 38 lagged far behind the Speedmaster - Rolex could hardly give them away.

The ref 6239,Cosmograph, introduced 10 years after the first Speedmaster, included an updated case, pushers, cleaner, more legible dial, and a 'units per hour' scale engraved on the bezel. Both brands changed handsets, pushers, and whatnot that occasionally approximated the other.

So the point is, had this thread been posted in 1967, it would have been Speedmaster owners righteously making your rip-off claim, and to date, it is the Speedmaster that has stayed most true to its heritage. And in fine watchmaking, ultimately heritage is everything, thus making your claim that the Daytona, in any variant, is the 'inspiration' for any variant of the Speedmaster complete bullshit.

EDIT: It appears there was a ref 6239 Cosmograph with an engraved bezel released at the end of 1963 as the ref 6238 remained in production as the first ref 6239's were released.
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Post by iwasbanned » March 8th 2022, 8:08am

3Flushes wrote:
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So the point is, had this thread been posted in 1967, it would have been Speedmaster owners righteously making your rip-off claim, and to date, it is the Speedmaster that has stayed most true to its heritage. And in fine watchmaking, ultimately heritage is everything, thus making your claim that the Daytona, in any variant, is the 'inspiration' for any variant of the Speedmaster complete bullshit.
Dang, Omega fanbois getting salty. I like Omega too, but ignoring the whole package of the images and saying Omega ain't following the hype, well I don't know about that.

I pulled up pictures of the watches you mentioned, and it looks like the 1957 speedmaster borrows more from the 1955 Rolex than the 1967 Rolex does the 1957 speedmaster. omega been homaging rolex for a while now.

1955 Rolex:

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1957 Speedmaster:

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1965 Cosmograph:

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Post by jason_recliner » March 8th 2022, 8:55am

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... it looks like the 1957 speedmaster borrows more from the 1955 Rolex than the 1967 Rolex does the 1957 speedmaster.
Really? I don't agree. 1957 Omega has the 3-6-9 and tachy bezel. Set the blueprint for pretty much every subsequent sporty chrono (until the 7750/7753 I suppose).
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Post by 3Flushes » March 8th 2022, 4:57pm

jason_recliner wrote:
March 8th 2022, 8:55am
iwasbanned wrote:
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... it looks like the 1957 speedmaster borrows more from the 1955 Rolex than the 1967 Rolex does the 1957 speedmaster.
Really? I don't agree. 1957 Omega has the 3-6-9 and tachy bezel. Set the blueprint for pretty much every subsequent sporty chrono (until the 7750/7753 I suppose).
^^^That

The first Rolex marked Daytona with the engraved bezel was released in '65. As I noted, there were several 3 register predecessors to the Oyster Chrono and the first Cosmo, and the first Speedmaster for that matter. Most used the Valjoux 72 (as did Rolex and Omega) released in 1938, but there were others that used the Venus 175/178 released in 1942 and was used most notably by Breitling in the Top Time, Navitimer, and Chronomats of the period. I believe that the Venus powered Navitimer of the period was the first panda dial.

The first Oyster chronos are virtually identical to a LeCoultre 3 register chronograph with a tach chapter ring from the late 1930's. The '57 Speedmaster clearly marks the first departure in design from its predecessors, most notably in the handset and with the engraved bezel.

All predecessors to the '57 Speedy put the scales, whether tach or otherwise, on the dial. Given the dials of the day were comparatively small at 34 to 35'ish mm, cleaning up the dial of the '57 Speedy by engraving the tach on the bezel and adding the longer, more precisely tipped handset made the first Speedmaser far more readable, a substantial factor in its virtually overnight popularity.

While the pre-Daytona Cosomgrahs picked up somewhat in sales, it was the first official Daytona (which started as the LeMans) that began to take off as Rolex touted the bezel and branded it as their flagship model in their advertising.

Salty? Nah - just historically accurate.
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Post by iwasbanned » March 8th 2022, 7:03pm

Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype and pulls from their heritage for new designs.
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Post by smellody » March 8th 2022, 7:16pm

iwasbanned wrote:
March 8th 2022, 7:03pm
Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype.

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Right!!??!!?!

It is obvious the style and dial colors bear 🐻 no resemblance to their Swiss cousins.

Pure innovation on Omega's part!

Well done in a whale dun kind of way.
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Post by jason_recliner » March 8th 2022, 8:07pm

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Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype and pulls from their heritage for new designs.

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I still don't see what you're getting at. The Rolex is a pink (and a ghey one at that). The Omega is more of a salmon.
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Re: Omega's latest releases

Post by smellody » March 8th 2022, 8:33pm

jason_recliner wrote:
March 8th 2022, 8:07pm
iwasbanned wrote:
March 8th 2022, 7:03pm
Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype and pulls from their heritage for new designs.

4a2405541d35a6744dff5d6a679f8dd3.jpg
I still don't see what you're getting at. The Rolex is a pink (and a ghey one at that). The Omega is more of a salmon.
I'd wear the pink one and that ain't ghey. Smells ain't a ghey.
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Re: Omega's latest releases

Post by iwasbanned » March 8th 2022, 8:47pm

jason_recliner wrote:
March 8th 2022, 8:07pm
iwasbanned wrote:
March 8th 2022, 7:03pm
Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype and pulls from their heritage for new designs.

4a2405541d35a6744dff5d6a679f8dd3.jpg
I still don't see what you're getting at. The Rolex is a pink (and a ghey one at that). The Omega is more of a salmon.
I'm not getting at anything. These new Omega's are breaking new boundaries. Revolutionizing design. Take a look at this not gay shell pink one that you thought was salmon.
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Actually kinda cool. Might scratch and itch over that totally gay and different pink dial op41.
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Re: Omega's latest releases

Post by jason_recliner » March 8th 2022, 9:41pm

iwasbanned wrote:
March 8th 2022, 8:47pm
jason_recliner wrote:
March 8th 2022, 8:07pm
iwasbanned wrote:
March 8th 2022, 7:03pm
Okay. I give. These new models totally show how much omega innovates and doesn't chase the hype and pulls from their heritage for new designs.

4a2405541d35a6744dff5d6a679f8dd3.jpg
I still don't see what you're getting at. The Rolex is a pink (and a ghey one at that). The Omega is more of a salmon.
I'm not getting at anything. These new Omega's are breaking new boundaries. Revolutionizing design. Take a look at this not gay shell pink one that you thought was salmon.

omega-seamaster-aqua-terra-150m-co-axial-master-chronometer-34-mm-22010342010003-1-product-zoom.png

Actually kinda cool. Might scratch and itch over that totally gay and different pink dial op41.
Pfft. You can prove anything with facts.
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