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https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/all-w ... -heres-why
David Mamet
Yep, it's "choose your pronoun" time!
Wow, so radical.Watches should be for everyone – whether you're just getting into them, or have been collecting for years. Removing dated gender labels from watches is not only a good first step to making the community more inclusive, it's also almost literally the least we can do.
Sounds like the very essence of the message of this editorial. It has been weighed, it has been measured, and it's not only been found wanting, but also brown and foetid.
Now that's pretty fucking mean. "Condescendingly?" The first thing that I'll do, as a salesperson, is ask what can I help you with, how, and if anything has caught your eye, and if you'd like to have a closer look at it and/or try it on. If you ask about ladies' watches, I will fucking guide you to that case, which, by the way, is lit just as well as the display with gents' watches. If you point at a gents' watch and ask to try it on, and beforehand you'd have told me that it is you who wants to wear it, I won't reply "but it's a gents' watch!" I will put time, effort and heart into explaining to you why would it be a good choice, and if you have another watch in the pool you're choosing from, I will tell you which one would be a better choice from a technical standpoint.I do not need a salesperson to condescendingly guide me to a poorly lit case to show me what they think I would like in the ladies' section.
Then pray tell so upon being asked what can I help you with.Call me crazy, but sometimes what I'm looking for is actually the latest steel sport watch that measures at least 36mm.
That's why the right thing to do is to let the customer walk along all the displays, so that we, the salespeople, can dispense with our efforts to read your mind. So far, the only mistake in the sales process that I can see is either a salesperson rushing it with engaging in conversation with the customer, or the customer not specifying what they want in the first place. We're not clairvoyant prophets endowed with extrasensory perception, you know.Maybe it's a chronograph – I don't know!
And how the fuck are we supposed to know that? Specify your expectations. Then let us try to cater to them.When I find what I'm looking for, I will know it when I see it. And it won't be in that case.
Why is it that people try to use the number of the century that we live in as the universal justification for everything, matters not if it's good, agreeable, disagreeable, or downright idiotic? Y'all, it's 1621, 1721, 1821, 1921, the fuck does that matter?!Y'all, it's 2021.
OK, so there were some trolls, and you took them as the measure of the sentiments of the majority. That's so very thoughtful.Our readers begged for a female TW guest, so we found a successful, funny, wickedly smart, and accomplished woman who truly loves watches. And what did a bunch of the commenters do? They mocked her and her collection because she received some of them as gifts, and refused to sell one back to an ex-boyfriend. The hostility is enough to make any woman hesitate to post a photo or video.
That blows. Although the way I see it, you're not going to solve the problem of mean basement-dwelling, priapic trolls or that of mean lesbian trolls (it seems like she thinks that all the mean stuff must have come from men) by dividing watches into unisex and ladies' watches, because that's what you're proposing.Do you know how humiliating it is to have your male colleagues have to read through and delete perverse YouTube comments that you received when all you were doing was talking about a new watch?
Have you even considered that that's not what men think? Or that so only men think, and other women don't? And face this, there's a lot of female customers who do want a small watch, which they do consider very feminine in nature. What matters is that you feel comfortable with what you're wearing, but that does not give you a green light for demeaning the designing and marketing of products to a specific target dem. Because ultimately, if there is a target dem that wants what's profiled as a GENTS' watch, by pushing for removal of that classification, you're pushing for taking something away from them. Same goes for the target dem that wants a watch that's a LADIES' one through and through. That strikes me as, frankly, insipid and insecure, and as trying to inflict your views on others as a means of trying to build an ideology around own choices. Feel good with your choices, and you won't need an ideology. If someone is shunning what you're wearing, that's a matter of their poor manners, not of what you're wearing. Sure, if you'd be sporting an Invicter Bolt Zeus, because you have the hots for a 50-something mm pile of bad taste, and wet dreams of the bezel cable twist, something in me will scream internally, and I might well feel like I hate your fucking Invicter. But I won't say a fucking word about that, let alone insult you.And too many men think what women really want is a watch made for Barbie.
Great response from a salesman point of view. Wait, is salesman correct or is it salesperson? Or salesgenderneutralperson? At any rate, I don't envy your job if you have to put up with shit like this.
biglove wrote: ↑February 10th 2021, 3:33pmThey told us at work we were going to have to start asking our patients what pronoun they wish to be addressed as.
Told my boss I could see myself trying to explain that to Vietnam and Korean War vets who would then promptly run my fat ass out of their rooms.
Being PC is like trying to pick up a turd on the clean end.
And pretentious.
"Oi!" also works.Falstaff wrote: ↑February 10th 2021, 4:22pmbiglove wrote: ↑February 10th 2021, 3:33pmThey told us at work we were going to have to start asking our patients what pronoun they wish to be addressed as.
Told my boss I could see myself trying to explain that to Vietnam and Korean War vets who would then promptly run my fat ass out of their rooms.
Being PC is like trying to pick up a turd on the clean end.
I favor "you there."
Watch Noob wrote: ↑February 10th 2021, 2:51pmGreat response from a salesman point of view. Wait, is salesman correct or is it salesperson? Or salesgenderneutralperson? At any rate, I don't envy your job if you have to put up with shit like this.
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