Watchlords

A lot of microbrand watches used to feature the 9015, but now they all seem to be powered by Seiko NH-series movements. I liked the 9015 in the watches I owned that used it, and considered it more refined than the equivalent Seikos. Does anybody know why it (seemingly) isn't used much any more? And why hasn't Citizen replaced the rough old 82xx with the 90xx family in their own watches?

They are still in their catalog along with the 8205 which always seemed to be in a ton of watches.

The 8205 was -20 to +40 seconds a day. The 9015 is a premium Miyota caliber accurate to -10 to +30 seconds a day. The NH35 does seem to have taken the top slot and rates with the Miyota 82XX movements at -20 to +40 seconds a day.

IDK if CM still makes all of their movements in Japan or not, but if so, Seiko could have a price advantage as the NHXX movements are Chinese consigned, and they are Seiko, the name recognition, a little prestige or whatnot... other than that there doesn't seem to be any difference, certainly none in timekeeping.

I may just be ignorant of the BFD about the NH35 but my guess is price, as the NHXX calibers, at least used to be, considered disposables. Who knows these days with Seiko's delusional pricing structure.

The 90XX series is likely just too expensive if manufacturers are willing to settle for -20 - +40 and looking to come in cheaper than the Miyota 82XX movements in order to hit a price the public will abide while making as much money as possible,

I'd wager 95% of the watch buying public have no clue who made the movement that's in their watch, or care to.

3Flushes wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 2:06am

I'd wager 95% of the watch buying public have no clue who made the movement that's in their watch, or care to.

Which is a shame, but I agree. I WAY prefer the 9015 over the jejune NH35s and such. It's all price. What bugs me, thought, are these micros getting more than $500 for watches with NH series movements and mineral crystals; micros that do that are the MVMTs of auto watches. P.T. Barnum is out there somewhere, smiling.

And oh yeah, the 8205s - if there was a Croton auto watch, that's usually what it was packing.

The 9015 is my favorite movement. Oddly, I don't presently have a watch with one.

To my understanding it is more expensive than the NH35. All these micros north of $500 with a NH35/36 really are milking that mundane movement for all it is worth.

TemerityB wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 3:35pm

3Flushes wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 2:06am

I'd wager 95% of the watch buying public have no clue who made the movement that's in their watch, or care to.

Which is a shame, but I agree. I WAY prefer the 9015 over the jejune NH35s and such. It's all price. What bugs me, thought, are these micros getting more than $500 for watches with NH series movements and mineral crystals; micros that do that are the MVMTs of auto watches. P.T. Barnum is out there somewhere, smiling.

And oh yeah, the 8205s - if there was a Croton auto watch, that's usually what it was packing.

Seiko themselves didn't pop the NHXX movements into anything costing North of about $300 for years- but I agree with you and BL- what's going on with these is very much akin to the G-10 in watches costing $1000 and up. As I recall, there was even a huge stink over Invicta Reserve models packing the G-10 when they downgraded to it, hell,, I may have started it.

PT Barnum indeed, sir.

3Flushes wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 4:28pm

TemerityB wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 3:35pm

3Flushes wrote: ↑

January 18th 2021, 2:06am

I'd wager 95% of the watch buying public have no clue who made the movement that's in their watch, or care to.

Which is a shame, but I agree. I WAY prefer the 9015 over the jejune NH35s and such. It's all price. What bugs me, thought, are these micros getting more than $500 for watches with NH series movements and mineral crystals; micros that do that are the MVMTs of auto watches. P.T. Barnum is out there somewhere, smiling.

And oh yeah, the 8205s - if there was a Croton auto watch, that's usually what it was packing.

Seiko themselves didn't pop the NHXX movements into anything costing North of about $300 for years- but I agree with you and BL- what's going on with these is very much akin to the G-10 in watches costing $1000 and up. As I recall, there was even a huge stink over Invicta Reserve models packing the G-10 when they downgraded to it hell,, I may have started it.

I remember that - as well as the stink that took place when Invicter slipped the Seiko autos in the 8926s instead of the Miyota while nobody was looking. That's Invicter for ya - they usually hype cost-cutting as "improvements."