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Post by 3Flushes » November 26th 2021, 10:38pm

It appears that many folks equate those who buy knockoff products to valor frauds and impostors of all stripes. I'm more interested in what motivates the behavior than in making a judgement about it.

However, from the legal perspective, the purchase of counterfeit merch, does, at a minimum, support an unlawful enterprise.. As for US law, 18 U.S. Code § 2320 - Trafficking in counterfeit goods or services - provides for up to a two million dollar fine and 10 years in federal prison, or both, for a first offense of manufacturing or trafficking in counterfeit goods or services, and a five million dollar fine and twenty years in prison, or both, for a second or subsequent offense.

I believe it was this very section of U.S. Code that was modified by the Trademark Counterfeiting Act of 1984 that allowed for a proud achievement in Watchlords' heritage; namely, allowing for the Swiss Federation and Customs to take action against counterfeiters of the Swiss trademark following our exposure of the fraudulent marking of Asian made watches as "Swiss Made" by a number of low life brands, most flagrantly, by Invicta.

Federal law doesn’t prohibit an individual from buying a counterfeit product for personal use, even if they do so knowingly.

The complete code, including seizure and destruction of fake goods, here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2320

States are permitted to make their own laws regarding counterfeit products and from what I could find, it is against the law in all 50 states for anyone to manufacture, or knowingly sell knockoff merchandise. Many states also have laws against the purchase of knockoff goods for personal use which vary by jurisdiction, however, during a cursory search of summary articles, I could not find a complete state by state list for either instance.

So check your state's laws on the matter - if you own a knockoff watch, or whatnot, you may be a criminal, albeit, not much of one.



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Re: Should You Wear A Fake Watch?

Post by svaglic » November 27th 2021, 4:48am

There are two types of people who wear fakes.
1. The person who just buys a watch to wear and means no harm by wearing it. They are not a watch collector and know little about watches. They probably didn’t go out to buy it, they happenstanced into the purchase.

2. The watch collector who knows damn good and well what it is and what it means.

Whether or not you should wear one depends on what kind of person you are.
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Post by jason_recliner » November 27th 2021, 5:19am

I haven't necessarily equated 'legal' with 'ethical' for a long time, probably since I was a teenager. If one is not hurting somebody (for me somebody is not the same as a corporation), then it is probably ethical (i.e. stalking = unethical). So I don't have a problem with anybody choosing to wear a fake watch or carry a fake handbag. I do have a problem with somebody trying to sell a fake product as the real thing.
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Post by Nuvolari » November 28th 2021, 11:37am

svaglic wrote:
November 27th 2021, 4:48am
There are two types of people who wear fakes.
1. The person who just buys a watch to wear and means no harm by wearing it. They are not a watch collector and know little about watches. They probably didn’t go out to buy it, they happenstanced into the purchase.

2. The watch collector who knows damn good and well what it is and what it means.

Whether or not you should wear one depends on what kind of person you are.
^^This. It’s real straight forward.

The mesh grille on your Chrysler may lead some to believe you’re wheelin’ a hand-assembled saloon from Crewe….

But you know, you’ll always know. And lends to the question of ‘why?’: Your real Timex and your ‘real’ Rolecks both show the same time…

So, did you make your pick because of the historical significance or provenance, innovation, quality material, aesthetic result, allegiance to precision? Anything? Maybe it’s just purdy? What makes you like that brand or style, damn it?

Sadly, a few ‘dotards’ (as the fat Asian kid with the bowl haircut used to say) end up covering both of those options.

Maybe your favorite rapper once wore one to rehab, and he seems cool. But then you realized at that price you could get another ‘wide’…

And, really, all things being equal - wouldn’t it be nice to step up to a double-wide?
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Post by TemerityBEddiePhluff » November 28th 2021, 4:12pm

jason_recliner wrote:
November 25th 2021, 5:51am
conjurer wrote:
November 25th 2021, 12:17am
Why the fuck are we even talking about this??
In all seriousness, and others please chime in, why does it bother you so much if somebody wears a fake watch? What if it makes them happy?

More to the point, are you comfortable judging somebody's character because they're wearing a watch manufactured by a company that didn't pay a licensing fee?
Wow, just wow.

I can't believe this subject is being broached here, just two full decades after every watch forum in the history of the planet determined that fake watches foment organized crime; after the FH spends millions on intercepting and weeding out fakes; and especially since wearing a fake watch is just so fucking low rent.

No wonder my participation wanes here. Every good thing this forum ever stood for has been sawed at during the past 18 months. C'mon - I can't believe my eyes on this one. I don't care who "likes me" or not - the fact this has even been discussed is fucking inexcusable.

Putting watches down that are expensive just because they are expensive and finding excuses that any inexpensive watch is good enough is so fucking WG and WIT.
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Post by bbattle » November 28th 2021, 5:04pm

Some of the comments are more about watches that belong on the Insane Klone posse thread. They may look like a Rolex but they don't say Polex on the dial and aren't counterfeits, just shameless lookalikes. Like that Alpin or Bluepunkt car stereo down at the flea market being sold by "Fred".

True counterfeits are dangerous, evil and illegal. Stay away, run away.
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Post by Nuvolari » November 28th 2021, 6:23pm

bbattle wrote:
November 28th 2021, 5:04pm
Some of the comments are more about watches that belong on the Insane Klone posse thread. They may look like a Rolex but they don't say Polex on the dial and aren't counterfeits, just shameless lookalikes. Like that Alpin or Bluepunkt car stereo down at the flea market being sold by "Fred". :dssd:

True counterfeits are dangerous, evil and illegal. Stay away, run away.
Agree with both premises - while I admire Smell’s chocolate Rollie as I slip on an Orient “sub”.

I suppose if I’m not a hypocrite I’m at least duplicitous and self-serving.
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Post by 3Flushes » November 28th 2021, 7:05pm

Top tier companies like Rolex, the world's most counterfeited product, Gucci, and Louis Vuitton - number two and three, respectively, and others, are pursuing counterfeiters more aggressively than ever. From what I've read, not so much due to lost revenue, as folks buying fakes generally couldn't afford the real deal in the first place. Companies like Rolex are primarily concerned about the damage done by cheesy garbage trotted out as the real deal damaging their reputations and heritage, and diluting their trademarks in the marketplace.

Mid tier clothiers, cosmetics companies and perfumers, professional sports franchises and leagues, and sew fourth, collectively lose billions to the piracy of their trademarks each year when folks are duped into buying goods they believe to be genuine, or knowingly buy knock-offs.

Companies have gone to great lengths to authenticate their goods with holographic marks, un-replicable tags with raised or embossed features, intricate labels that are too expensive for counterfeiters to try to replicate, and sew fourth. Interestingly, many of the security features you see on your driver license or state or company identification cards originated in merchandising, with the NFL chiefly among them; they used holograms to authenticate team and league merchandise long before your state's DMV ever knew what they are.

Rolex uses a number of security features - the green holographic sticker on the back, engraved rehauts, and the tiny crown image in the crystal, amongst others. Other brands use distinctive features for authentication like Breguet's secret signature (the coolest), AP's nearly impossible to to replicate stamp and raised trademark on the warranty card, or, Patek's serial number engraved into the inside of the caseback and dial markings, both in the brand's proprietary font, and their distinctive certificate of origin.

These features on all manner of goods not only allows consumers to know they are buying genuine merchandise, but absent such features, inspectors and law enforcement are able to confiscate and destroy counterfeit goods.

One thing is certain - there is no shortage of buyers.
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Re: Should You Wear A Fake Watch?

Post by conjurer » November 29th 2021, 12:19am

jason_recliner wrote:
November 25th 2021, 5:51am
conjurer wrote:
November 25th 2021, 12:17am
Why the fuck are we even talking about this??
In all seriousness, and others please chime in, why does it bother you so much if somebody wears a fake watch? What if it makes them happy?

More to the point, are you comfortable judging somebody's character because they're wearing a watch manufactured by a company that didn't pay a licensing fee?
Interestingly, I actually gave some thought to my answer to Mr. recliner, which I don't normally do about, well, anything.

The last few watches I've bought, I've paid retail. A couple of Sinns and a Tudor; this is unusual for me, but I wanted the particular models, and they either weren't available gray or, in the case of the Tudor, were either priced over retail, or so close to it that it didn't fucking matter.

Also in the case of the Tudor, I had been coveting it for a long time, been obsessing over it (which I don't do much anymore with watches) and knew that it was as good as I could afford. Now, I've been in a new career for a few years, and have, through hard work and diligence, become pretty good at it. I've made some decent money and able to put some away. I love Rolex, but while I could flip some watches and otherwise raise some money to get, say, a GMT-Master II, I didn't want to put that much cash into a watch--nor did I want to get onto some bullshit AD wait-list for one. Tudor came pretty close to what I wanted, so one day me and Mrs. C got into the old Sonata and cruised up to the local AD. There I found the Black Bay GMT, and after a few minutes drooling over it, I hauled out the MasterCard and bought the sumbitch.

Herein lies the reason that people who wear a fake watch make me want to fucking puke: I worked my ass off, did my research, saved my money, and then, when the time was right, I paid full-boat retail, and do not regret it. I got lucky--the watch I really wanted was there, in the case, and ready to purchase. The act of paying for it made me feel good; I worked hard, I wanted something of value, and paid for it. When I wear it, I feel good. Seeing it on my wrist makes me feel like I have accomplished something. There comes a time when, as collectors, we ante up and pay good money for a watch that we can wear with pride, that we earned. We can say, this watch on my wrist, it means something. It means, through my toil and my taste, I was able to afford and buy something that others will see and say, there goes somebody of taste and refinement. This means something.

Those who buy fake watches knowingly are cunts. Those who buy fake watches knowing are dumb cunts. I don't care how it makes them feel the same way I don't care who some old guy who jerks off to kiddie porn makes them feel. In terms of fake watches, they took a big shortcut to make themselves feel good, and I don't give a fuck, they're still cunts. We, in This Thing of Ours, know how buying a new, real, watch, feels. Those who pretend and cunts of no account. They can fuck themselves in the ear.
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Post by 3Flushes » November 29th 2021, 4:30am

conjurer wrote:
November 29th 2021, 12:19am
jason_recliner wrote:
November 25th 2021, 5:51am
conjurer wrote:
November 25th 2021, 12:17am
Why the fuck are we even talking about this??
In all seriousness, and others please chime in, why does it bother you so much if somebody wears a fake watch? What if it makes them happy?

More to the point, are you comfortable judging somebody's character because they're wearing a watch manufactured by a company that didn't pay a licensing fee?
Interestingly, I actually gave some thought to my answer to Mr. recliner, which I don't normally do about, well, anything.

The last few watches I've bought, I've paid retail. A couple of Sinns and a Tudor; this is unusual for me, but I wanted the particular models, and they either weren't available gray or, in the case of the Tudor, were either priced over retail, or so close to it that it didn't fucking matter.

Also in the case of the Tudor, I had been coveting it for a long time, been obsessing over it (which I don't do much anymore with watches) and knew that it was as good as I could afford. Now, I've been in a new career for a few years, and have, through hard work and diligence, become pretty good at it. I've made some decent money and able to put some away. I love Rolex, but while I could flip some watches and otherwise raise some money to get, say, a GMT-Master II, I didn't want to put that much cash into a watch--nor did I want to get onto some bullshit AD wait-list for one. Tudor came pretty close to what I wanted, so one day me and Mrs. C got into the old Sonata and cruised up to the local AD. There I found the Black Bay GMT, and after a few minutes drooling over it, I hauled out the MasterCard and bought the sumbitch.

Herein lies the reason that people who wear a fake watch make me want to fucking puke: I worked my ass off, did my research, saved my money, and then, when the time was right, I paid full-boat retail, and do not regret it. I got lucky--the watch I really wanted was there, in the case, and ready to purchase. The act of paying for it made me feel good; I worked hard, I wanted something of value, and paid for it. When I wear it, I feel good. Seeing it on my wrist makes me feel like I have accomplished something. There comes a time when, as collectors, we ante up and pay good money for a watch that we can wear with pride, that we earned. We can say, this watch on my wrist, it means something. It means, through my toil and my taste, I was able to afford and buy something that others will see and say, there goes somebody of taste and refinement. This means something.

Those who buy fake watches knowingly are cunts. Those who buy fake watches knowing are dumb cunts. I don't care how it makes them feel the same way I don't care who some old guy who jerks off to kiddie porn makes them feel. In terms of fake watches, they took a big shortcut to make themselves feel good, and I don't give a fuck, they're still cunts. We, in This Thing of Ours, know how buying a new, real, watch, feels. Those who pretend and cunts of no account. They can fuck themselves in the ear.
I have been fortunate to have inherited some very cool watches, including two Rolexes. When I was seriously looking to buy a Daytona, the shit hit the fan with the pandemic, and like you, I figured Rolex could go screw, not a particularly bold statement on my part given I have two, but screw their bullshit.

I'm not concerned about what anyone thinks about me outside of a very small circle of family, friends, and a couple of former colleagues, a circle which seems to be getting smaller on a daily basis given our advancing years and the pandemic.

I wanted a Daytona because they are an example of Rolex's commitment to excellence and innovation - taken from a piece with a sourced movement to be the refined, classic representation of Rolex's founding challenge to themselves to be the leaders in technological advancements in watchmaking. I think the Daytona is the quintessential Rolex watch in that regard.

I also think people probably think the same thing about me regardless of what watch, or anything else, I'm wearing; "gee, that old fuck has really let himself go".

I do get a personal sense of satisfaction in having worked and saved for a watch I wanted, I chose a path that requires it, and in that folks thought well enough of me to leave me an heirloom - that's what I think of when I wear them, that's the authenticity that counts - otherwise a watch is just a watch, and who needs this thing of ours for a watch to be just another object.
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Post by DoctorIvey » November 29th 2021, 11:04am

This thread has better legs than Betty Grable. I can't believe it. So I'll weigh in...for real this time since my last post was tongue-in-cheek. (Holy smokes, I just typed tongue-in-cheek and Betty Grable together. I wonder if my subconscious is telling me something.)
The question is, SHOULD you wear a fake watch. Not, should it be illegal, does it bother you when someone wears a fake, is it unethical to wear a fake, etc. Speaking only for myself, I lean heavily libertarian. Go ahead if you want to. I fully understand the argument that the mere existence of them puts Rolex and all their wearers (myself included) in financial peril just as illegally downloading music might drive Bono and Geffen to the Dollar General. I just ain't buying it, in light of the other problems in the world. Tell you what: Boko Haram stops abducting and selling children and I'll put more thought into the financial welfare of my local Rolex AD.
Speaking of, I met the man a couple of days ago at my work. This is a large dealership with multiple locations, the headquarters of which is just a few blocks from my house. He assured me if I wanted a Submariner it would be no more than a year wait, possibly less than six months. He said Daytonas and GMTs were more problematic but that if he was sure you wanted to buy to own he could make it happen fairly quickly and that even with the hardest to obtain models it was nothing like a five year wait, and he couldn't believe the tripe he hears about that. Just to include for interest in the topic.
But SHOULD one wear a fake, that's the question. And i suppose the answer is very personal. Therefore I can only answer it for myself. But I can give you all a real life example, one that surprised me, and made me, for the millionth time, question my decision making process. I have a person who is close to me. I don't want to give too much detail as to out him, but I'll tell you this; unlike I, he is a wealthy man. He owned a Submariner and it disappeared from one of his homes and he didn't seem to care much one way or another. That watch, by the way, wasn't purchased but was a sales spiff. Starting in 2007 he began wearing a stainless steel Daytona. Or so i thought. I know this guy is wealthy by any measure. I know how much he socks away in his SEP. i know his property holdings. He's loaded. And because of that, I never gave it much thought. Until recently I discovered (because he readily admitted) he's wearing a fake. Not only that but an expensive fake (couple thousand bucks). When I heard the story I actually looked at it, and yeah, it's as fake as Lisa Rinna's lips. But nobody has ever noticed. Interestingly, nobody has ever commented on it at all in my presence.
In 1988 I bought a SS OP with white gold bezel and Jubilee bracelet (from the AD). I have worn that wartch a lot and have received nearly zero comments, all from strangers, mostly asking if it was fake. One guy (a college kid) went off once saying how nice it was, but that is it.
I own some bespoke suits. I also own some incredibly inexpensive suits poorly constructed but with halfway decent fabric. Inevitably, the latter receives more compliments. Snob alert: many years ago I realized that the general public has pretty poor taste or judgement when deciding what constitutes "good." There is a tiny percentage of people who know the difference, but they never say anything about it unless you know them well already, and I rarely come into contact with these folks.
I absolutely believe most people will receive more compliments on a giant Invicter with ropes and dragons than any Rolex that doesn't have a rotating bezel or pushers, let alone an A. Lange or three hand Patek. I do have a good friend that was robbed at gunpoint of a gold Rolex.
What does all this mean? Who knows. Wear what you like. If you want to impress, drive a Lambo or Tesla and forget wartches. Personally, I like things that are understated and somewhat obscure, so I'm never going to impress anyone, and I'm okay with that because i'd hate it if I drew attention. I also admire finely crafted mechanical things which is probably why I also am drawn to bicycles, firearms, and pool cues. So knock offs tend to make me cringe, and feel sad. But that's me. I feel the same way about a lot of things, which is why I'm often in the minority in any group discussion involving pop culture, fashion, etc. And I'm okay with that.You do what you want, and I'll try my hardest not to judge.
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Post by bbattle » November 29th 2021, 5:34pm

I have my favorite cycling teams and I have bought their official team jerseys, much as one would buy an officially licensed NFL jersey to support your favorite team. There are lots of cheaper versions out there but they are invariably of lesser quality and they hurt the bottom line (and reputation) of the official jersey maker.

And yes, there are "Chinarellos" out there; bicycles claiming to be expensive Pinarellos but really just cheap or not so cheap counterfeits. I am not about to fly down a mountain at 40-50mph on a fake bicycle.

If someone derives satisfaction from fooling their friends, coworkers, or strangers on the internet by passing off their fake watch as bona fide, then they are no better than those who steal valor.

Quit worrying about keeping up with the Joneses and just exist comfortably in your own sphere of reality. And sleep well at night.
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Post by DoctorIvey » November 29th 2021, 8:26pm

You bring up an interesting point. What is a "real" Pinarello? I know your answer, but consider this: I was a Pinarello dealer, buying and selling lots of them from Giorgio Andrade at Gita Sporting goods. IMO, once production moved from Treviso, all bets are off. In other words, what's a "real" Glycine? Or Cannondale, or Schwinn, or Indian? I happen to know that some of these "Chinarellos" are coming out of the same factories as the "real" ones that cost many times as much, likely pilfered by disgruntled workers. As for safety, believe me when I tell you the bikes most likely to break are the most expensive, exclusive models. I won't name names, but I surely could. I don't know, but I'd bet the same is true of timepieces, which is to say a cheap Casio or Seiko is likely to be more reliable than a six figure boutique brand. One of the things that makes Rolex (for example) different than Pinarello or Cannondale is that they don't off shore production. Most all high end bicycles are built like Doxas or Invictas. Some guy specifies a design and then contracts someone in China or (hopefully) Taiwan to make it. Many, many brands get spewed out of the same factory, sometimes with few if any differences.
I can't speak of stolen valor, nor equate it with wearing knock offs. I would counterfeits with people converting common models of cars to look like far less common versions. It's not my style, but I won't judge. Just as i don't judge someone by how much they make or how expensive is their home. And I've never attempted to keep up with anyone, except on a bicycle.
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Post by jason_recliner » November 30th 2021, 6:29pm

Pretty juicy conversation!
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Top tier companies like Rolex, the world's most counterfeited product, Gucci, and Louis Vuitton - number two and three, respectively, and others, are pursuing counterfeiters more aggressively than ever. From what I've read, not so much due to lost revenue, as folks buying fakes generally couldn't afford the real deal in the first place. Companies like Rolex are primarily concerned about the damage done by cheesy garbage trotted out as the real deal damaging their reputations and heritage, and diluting their trademarks in the marketplace.

Mid tier clothiers, cosmetics companies and perfumers, professional sports franchises and leagues, and sew fourth, collectively lose billions to the piracy of their trademarks each year when folks are duped into buying goods they believe to be genuine, or knowingly buy knock-offs.

Companies have gone to great lengths to authenticate their goods with holographic marks, un-replicable tags with raised or embossed features, intricate labels that are too expensive for counterfeiters to try to replicate, and sew fourth. Interestingly, many of the security features you see on your driver license or state or company identification cards originated in merchandising, with the NFL chiefly among them; they used holograms to authenticate team and league merchandise long before your state's DMV ever knew what they are.

Rolex uses a number of security features - the green holographic sticker on the back, engraved rehauts, and the tiny crown image in the crystal, amongst others. Other brands use distinctive features for authentication like Breguet's secret signature (the coolest), AP's nearly impossible to to replicate stamp and raised trademark on the warranty card, or, Patek's serial number engraved into the inside of the caseback and dial markings, both in the brand's proprietary font, and their distinctive certificate of origin.

These features on all manner of goods not only allows consumers to know they are buying genuine merchandise, but absent such features, inspectors and law enforcement are able to confiscate and destroy counterfeit goods.

One thing is certain - there is no shortage of buyers.
I'd like luxury brands to put as much effort into innovation, quality, and engineering excellence as they do protecting their labels. Instead of making a canvas bag or a steel dive watch that can be replicated for a fraction of the price, why not make something expensive that can't be replicated? You're not going to see a fake Accutron Spaceview DNA any time soon becasue it would be technically challenging and ruinously expensive to make it. Or keep making your canvas bags, but stop getting so butthurt when somebody else makes them much cheaper, and some people want to buy the cheap one and don't give a toss about your brand.
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Interestingly, I actually gave some thought to my answer to Mr. recliner, which I don't normally do about, well, anything.

The last few watches I've bought, I've paid retail. A couple of Sinns and a Tudor; this is unusual for me, but I wanted the particular models, and they either weren't available gray or, in the case of the Tudor, were either priced over retail, or so close to it that it didn't fucking matter.

Also in the case of the Tudor, I had been coveting it for a long time, been obsessing over it (which I don't do much anymore with watches) and knew that it was as good as I could afford. Now, I've been in a new career for a few years, and have, through hard work and diligence, become pretty good at it. I've made some decent money and able to put some away. I love Rolex, but while I could flip some watches and otherwise raise some money to get, say, a GMT-Master II, I didn't want to put that much cash into a watch--nor did I want to get onto some bullshit AD wait-list for one. Tudor came pretty close to what I wanted, so one day me and Mrs. C got into the old Sonata and cruised up to the local AD. There I found the Black Bay GMT, and after a few minutes drooling over it, I hauled out the MasterCard and bought the sumbitch.

Herein lies the reason that people who wear a fake watch make me want to fucking puke: I worked my ass off, did my research, saved my money, and then, when the time was right, I paid full-boat retail, and do not regret it. I got lucky--the watch I really wanted was there, in the case, and ready to purchase. The act of paying for it made me feel good; I worked hard, I wanted something of value, and paid for it. When I wear it, I feel good. Seeing it on my wrist makes me feel like I have accomplished something. There comes a time when, as collectors, we ante up and pay good money for a watch that we can wear with pride, that we earned. We can say, this watch on my wrist, it means something. It means, through my toil and my taste, I was able to afford and buy something that others will see and say, there goes somebody of taste and refinement. This means something.

Those who buy fake watches knowingly are cunts. Those who buy fake watches knowing are dumb cunts. I don't care how it makes them feel the same way I don't care who some old guy who jerks off to kiddie porn makes them feel. In terms of fake watches, they took a big shortcut to make themselves feel good, and I don't give a fuck, they're still cunts. We, in This Thing of Ours, know how buying a new, real, watch, feels. Those who pretend and cunts of no account. They can fuck themselves in the ear.
They're nice watches, but they still just watches, still just things... baubles. Different people have different priorities. Some want to buy camper trailers, holidays, education for their kids, cars, boats, gadgets, bags, or watches. Thing is, many of those things have inherent value, cost, worth. You can't fake a holiday, education, pet, car, boat... You can easily fake a canvas bag or steel watch, and it's functionally identical to the real branded/licensed thing. Yes, you might be doing it to look richer than you are, or impress some girl at a bar, but you might be doing it because you like the look of something but don't want to spend too much on it. Regardless of the motivation, I find it very difficult equating any luxury/fake good buying decision with child abuse. Your mileage may vary.
DoctorIvey wrote:
November 29th 2021, 11:04am
What does all this mean? Who knows. Wear what you like. If you want to impress, drive a Lambo or Tesla and forget wartches. Personally, I like things that are understated and somewhat obscure, so I'm never going to impress anyone, and I'm okay with that because i'd hate it if I drew attention. I also admire finely crafted mechanical things which is probably why I also am drawn to bicycles, firearms, and pool cues. So knock offs tend to make me cringe, and feel sad. But that's me. I feel the same way about a lot of things, which is why I'm often in the minority in any group discussion involving pop culture, fashion, etc. And I'm okay with that.You do what you want, and I'll try my hardest not to judge.
We probably all like well made things. What happens when somebody can make something as well as or nearly as well as somebody else, for much less? Should we judge somebody w=for choosing to buy the much cheper of the two well made things, with the luxury brand falsely affixed? Yes, as it turns out, yes we should, based on the intelligent and well-argued vitriol expressed throughout this thread!
bbattle wrote:
November 29th 2021, 5:34pm
I have my favorite cycling teams and I have bought their official team jerseys, much as one would buy an officially licensed NFL jersey to support your favorite team. There are lots of cheaper versions out there but they are invariably of lesser quality and they hurt the bottom line (and reputation) of the official jersey maker.

And yes, there are "Chinarellos" out there; bicycles claiming to be expensive Pinarellos but really just cheap or not so cheap counterfeits. I am not about to fly down a mountain at 40-50mph on a fake bicycle.
For me there's an ethical distinction between fake luxury bags and watches that are functionally equivalent, and fake items that are functionally inferior. Especially where functionally inferior can mean unsafe and/or hazardous. I don't give a damn about anybody making or buying a fake watch, I just don't. Manufacturing fake medicine, brake assemblies, bicycle frames, alloy wheels, and other items where they are made cheaper by reducing quality, integrity, and functionality (and, hence, safety), is wrong IMO (in addition to being illegal).

This sort of brings me mack to my original, somewhat tongue-in-cheek response to where one shouldn't wear a fake watch.
3Flushes wrote:
November 29th 2021, 4:30am
... a watch is just a watch...
Edited to make not your point your point, but I kind of agree these days. Maybe I'm just not as invested in the hobby any more.
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Re: Should You Wear A Fake Watch?

Post by koimaster » December 28th 2021, 2:09pm

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It doesnt matter if u wear real or fake. If u rich enough people will think u wear real shit even if u wear fakes. And if u are not rich even if u wear real shit people gonna think its fake. So why not wear fakes anyway.
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Re: Should You Wear A Fake Watch?

Post by boscoe » December 30th 2021, 12:51pm

bbattle wrote:
November 24th 2021, 5:16pm
Silicone is here for a reason.

What could be worse than somebody realizing you are wearing a fake Rolex?

Somebody realizing you are wearing a fake Invicta!

I drive a VW because I can't afford a Porsche but at least I didn't swap the VW badge for a Porsche one. (man, I'd love to have a Cayman)
New Cayman's rule. Had a Gen 2 LE. Was very nice, but swapped for Corvette and haven't looked back.
As for this Undead Thread, fakes still suck - even though I am not so invested in watch collecting anymore.
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